Page 6 | Why would anyone behave like this? Liverpool partying scenes

CurlyhairedAssassin · 14/10/2020 19:19

Your parents are making decisions that suit them. Young people are making decisions that suit them. 2 sides of the same coin - each selfish in their own way

@Lowkee Are you REALLY calling a terminally ill person selfish for trying to preserve their life? REALLY? Fuck off.

supersop60 · 14/10/2020 19:20

@Lowkee

Can you honestly expect an 87 year old man with COPD who is at high risk should he contract the virus to be the same as a healthy outgoing 20 year old who has minimal risk from the virus? It's selfish to expect them to give up their lives for those at risk. It's a huge ask and it's not fair on them.

Bless - let them have a lovely party, and who cares what happens to the elderly and vulnerable. Lowkee please have my first MN ODFOD

Jrobhatch29 · 14/10/2020 19:20

"Shame on any parents who try to project their own youth experiences onto their children who are no doubt much more resilient and coping perfectly fine without a shirt-signing last day at school, or a boring graduation ceremony. I can't even remember my last day at school, and I only went to my graduation ceremony to please my parents- it's just a thing that you have to sit through for many many people."

Ridiculous.

Lowkee · 14/10/2020 19:21

@CurlyhairedAssassin

Your parents are making decisions that suit them. Young people are making decisions that suit them. 2 sides of the same coin - each selfish in their own way

@Lowkee Are you REALLY calling a terminally ill person selfish for trying to preserve their life? REALLY? Fuck off.

That's uncalled for.

MaxNormal · 14/10/2020 19:21

are you REALLY calling a terminally ill person selfish for trying to preserve their life?

I read it as saying that everyone makes decisions in their own best interests, and it's unfair to accuse one group of selfishness but not another.
A terminally ill 87 year old would probably have to pretty much shield, especially in winter, in any year tbh, but normally we wouldn't stop the rest of the world functioning in case very unwell people in their late eighties die. Unfortunately that is not an unusual event.

StealthPolarBear · 14/10/2020 19:23

I feel so lucky my children are 13 and 11. Although they've been stuck in for the last few months when they didn't want to bw, they weren't quite at the stage of having a full on social life that's been wrecked.
Socialising is a huge part of being a teenager. Possibly even kissing other teenagers. I feel very sorry for those aged 15-20 at the moment.

CurlyhairedAssassin · 14/10/2020 19:23

It's selfish to expect them to give up their lives for those at risk. It's a huge ask and it's not fair on them.

It's not giving up their lives, this is a temporary situation, they have the rest of their lives to party. This isn't Doomsday or Armageddon. There will be an end to it. The young people I know are being much more responsible than the ones filmed here in Liverpool.

CrappleUmble · 14/10/2020 19:24

Yes, people making decisions for their own benefit rather than anyone else's looks different depending on the scenario. But the motivation is the same, regardless of a third party's feelings about what is more legitimate.

Lowkee · 14/10/2020 19:25

MaxNormal that's exactly what I mean. It doesn't really matter to someone shielding for their own health what the students in Liverpool are getting up to as it won't actually affect them. They've to shield to save their lives, not due to the actions of youth, but because this virus is evil. Demanding that everyone stays locked down in solidarity with your elderly parents is a little bit out there to be honest.

HeyMacarona · 14/10/2020 19:27

The young people I know are being much more responsible than the ones filmed here in Liverpool

I know a few young people currently infected who have been very well behaved (from Liverpool), one caught it at the gym and several others serving the public.

starfro · 14/10/2020 19:28

Who cares? They are at less risk than flu at that age.

This only ends with herd immunity. These students aren't going to get vaccinated so they should get it over and done with now.

If shielders are worried then they can lock themselves at home.

CurlyhairedAssassin · 14/10/2020 19:29

No, @MaxNormal, before March my parents were acutely aware that their time of being relatively healthy and able to do most things could be limited. They had flu vaccines each year, practised sensible hygiene and had a whale of a time going on holidays abroad and at home and meals out with friends and family. They were making the most of the time they had left.

I have been told of someone else recently who has been diagnosed with terminal lung cancer. THESE are the people I feel most sorry for, having to deal with restrictions in the ultimate shitty circumstance. It is so NOT like the average young and resilient person who will graduate despite COVID. COVID will do one sooner or later. A vaccine will be found, the economy will recover. If terminally ill people can find the positives in the smallest thing, I'm damned sure a young person can put aside their frustration at not being able to go out on a Friday night for a year or two.

Jrobhatch29 · 14/10/2020 19:29

@CurlyhairedAssassin

It's selfish to expect them to give up their lives for those at risk. It's a huge ask and it's not fair on them.

It's not giving up their lives, this is a temporary situation, they have the rest of their lives to party. This isn't Doomsday or Armageddon. There will be an end to it. The young people I know are being much more responsible than the ones filmed here in Liverpool.

How long though? You can't just say "it will be better one day" to them

ChristmasinJune · 14/10/2020 19:31

@Bloomburger

Spray them with smart water and refuse them treatment when they get it.

Oh my goodness, I came on to say the same thing. Not serious really but it's tempting. Idiots who don't care about others. Yet if there was a crisis and I was "competing" for an ICU bed with one of them, they'd get it because they're younger??

Lowkee · 14/10/2020 19:32

It's a bit like if I was a Liverpool resident and demanded that everyone in the UK also locks down because I have to. It's likely Liverpool will come out of this bout just as other places are heading into lock down.

Lowkee · 14/10/2020 19:36

CurlyHairedAssasin your anger is directed at young people when it's the virus that's a bastard. Your parents can't take risks with it. Younger people can take a measured risk with it.

starrynight19 · 14/10/2020 19:37

I'm damned sure a young person can put aside their frustration at not being able to go out on a Friday night for a year or two.

But the thing is it isn’t a Friday night. It’s every night. They have already done 7 months. We are asking them to put their lives on hold indefinitely. Whilst I am fed up of it all I don’t go out that often and if I do it’s for a meal so it doesn’t really impact me as much. The kids are missing out on holidays with their pals / nights out / meeting their future partners / paying a fortune for uni and getting nothing back / unable to work part time jobs in hospitality / and when this is all done what economy / their future will be left. And they will be the ones who have to pay it back. It’s really no surprise they are fed up of it all and had a dance and a sing last night.

annabel85 · 14/10/2020 19:39

There was actually hardly anyone out in Liverpool last night

A monumental failure in policing and what should have been a manageable crowd of what were absolute idiots at curfew time. Mostly students, mixed in with presumably a few locals.

Yet again though measures get announced on the Monday but they keep the pubs open for people to have one last piss up.

3littlewords · 14/10/2020 19:40

@starrynight19

And putting it into perspective they were dancing and singing. The police came and someone threw a bottle at the car. They then all dispersed and went home. Hardly riots and anarchy.

Exactly there was far more violence and disruption and bigger crowds at the BLM and subsequent protests earlier in the year but yes let the media make out the whole of Liverpool were partying until the early hours. Not condoning large crowds gathering but let's not make more of it than what it was or that these scenes were the only ones like this in the country the past few months.

annabel85 · 14/10/2020 19:43

@ThatsHowItStarts

My son and his 3 housemates are all self isolating and doing uni work online. some students know how to behave. Only 1 of them has had a positive test.

I feel a bit sorry for students because there's blind fury in the city today after last night with a lot of it directed at students. But most students weren't out either.

Lowkee · 14/10/2020 19:45

Blind fury is a bit of an overreaction. It was 50-100 people who decided to celebrate the arrival of the Feds into their midst. Hardly every student in Liverpool.

annabel85 · 14/10/2020 19:47

They then all dispersed and went home.
Hardly riots and anarchy.

But we all know in the age of the viral video, a minute is enough to cause a shitstorm.

underneaththeash · 14/10/2020 19:48

They’re young and stupid. That’s why Liverpool had to lock down because and minority of their population was irresponsible.

HipTightOnions · 14/10/2020 19:50

If shielders are worried then they can lock themselves at home.

FFS this again. Shielding has been “paused”, and erstwhile shielders are back at work.

3littlewords · 14/10/2020 19:50

@underneaththeash because being young and stupid only happens in Liverpool doesn't it