The sooner people follow the rules the quicker we'll get rid of Coronavirus...

[Marcellemouse]

I've heard 2 different people say this in the past few days. What do they mean? Do people really think Coronavirus will just disappear altogether if we get the numbers low enough?

Well no. But not following the rules isn’t going to do much for the numbers is it?

I used to buy into this bullshit but not any more. Have totally had enough.

I think it’s said by people who need to believe in a simple solution to a difficult / unsolveable problem.

Itsvthe type of comment said by people who want to sound superior but who have literally no understanding of how a virus works.

Even if everyone followed all the rules the virus would still exist no matter how much we want it not to.

Well it near enough did in China and Vietnam. Proper enforcement of rules and am amazing lack of "hidden disabilities" preventing people wearing masks. It's amazing how many people think it is too difficult to control the virus. China Vietnam Japan and new Zealand are all in the winner's circle. Where the population followed the instructions. Whereas in the UK we can't even get the population to wear masks properly without people grumbling about government intrusion. In China do you recon the students would have been allowed to attend those parties? Would people be openly slagging off the chief medical officer? Probably be no on both accounts. Western individualism of me first will make this difficult to control.

That's a tad simplistic.

If we, as a society, keep transmission suppressed we can have as much of society open as possible. If transmission rate rises bits close. It might be the bits you like or need that's just luck or bad luck.

Only you can decide if you are going to be part of the problem or part of the solution.

No as you have people constantly coming from other countries. No one’s testing at airports, quarantine isn’t being checked. You just have to do the best you can, I try and not get close to anyone and wash my hands constantly. I’m not sure masks work but I will follow the rules and wear one but will also stay 2 metres away mask or no mask

Yes, some people really do believe it. Yet we've only ever actively eliminated one single virus in the entirety of human history. They are incredibly, beautifully, impossible things to beat. They survive, it's what they do. I have very mixed feelings about how we go about living with covid though. I'm not convinced the current govt approach is ideal, but then I'm also not sure what the alternative is 🤷🏻‍♀️

Yep, that worked brilliantly in Spain didn't it.....

No it w9nt res9lve it. We're up shit creek without a paddle.

I'm not saying the guidelines/laws are right or wrong but where threat and UK differ from Asia where they mostly have got on top of this shit is that they are mostly singing from the hymn sheet amongst themselves. They feel a general sense of duty to the community to behave in a certain way.
Here it's a case of I'm alright Jack and no fucker is going to tell me how to live my life.....basically too many of us are doing our own thing and were all pulling in different directions.

The reasons behind that can be blamed on a variety of reasons but the poor leadership, disobedient MPs and general confusion due to lack of clarity plays a part.

@Wherehavetheteletubbiesgone So no-one should be able to criticise or question officials like the CMO? This isn't East Germany in the 70s.

I happen to think the CMO is decent enough and if you actually listen to what he is saying (rather than what you think/want him to say) he is clear and honest/

Turn that on on its head, OP. IF people refuse to follow any rules at all - eg. no social distancing, no masks, all entertainment venues open, cruising back on, events with no people limits - coronavirus will never be stamped down to an acceptable level. Too many will die. You want that?

@chocolatesaltyballs22

I used to buy into this bullshit but not any more. Have totally had enough.

This

I hate these comparisons with China. Their human rights record is abysmal. The idea that people would want this country to replicate that sort of totalitarian behaviour is scarier to me than Covid.

@Waxonwaxoff0

I hate these comparisons with China. Their human rights record is abysmal. The idea that people would want this country to replicate that sort of totalitarian behaviour is scarier to me than Covid.

Agreed

And why shouldn’t people criticise the CMO or anyone in that kind of role? They are public servants paid by the taxpayer.

Johnson told us we'd be out of this in 6 weeks back in March IF we complied ...

It's going nowhere is it 🤷‍♂️

We want to be like China do we? Wow yes that’s scarier than COVID. Right let’s get on with welding people in to their houses and tracking their every move. Jesus.

A tough lockdown didn’t work for Spain did it? And we wouldn’t even manage that.

Is the three tier plan law or just guidance? Can we expect another Dominic Cummings-type incident of 'you clowns, this wasn't even law (MY interpretation of what happened with infamous rose garden conference).
All the press are making this out to be actual law and, of course, it's not in the government's interests to inform us otherwise.
I ask because the degradation of civil liberties angers me.
Am I a bolshie goader who just wants to party? No. Or socialise with ten friends? No. I do, however, find the notion of a person unable to visit a lone elderly relative upsetting because of smoke and mirrors.

China Vietnam Japan and new Zealand are all in the winner's circle

I really don't think as a nation we would tolerate China's measures and New Zealand/Vietnam have had to close their doors to any form of tourism with borders being closed so effectively becoming prisoners in their own country. Banning one of your country's main income streams isn't exactly winning in my book.

@chocolatesaltyballs22

I used to buy into this bullshit but not any more. Have totally had enough.

Same. It's a virus doing what viruses do. People are at work, kids are at school, people are on hospital wards, people are in care homes etc etc. It will continue to spread but we can't keep shutting these essential things down indefinitely until a miracle cure arrives.

New Zealand sacked its chief medical officer for not following the lockdown!

This “all the other countries follow the rules it’s just the brits who don’t” is a wonderful narrative but not remotely true!

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-asia-52194407

@Wherehavetheteletubbiesgone

Well it near enough did in China and Vietnam. Proper enforcement of rules and am amazing lack of "hidden disabilities" preventing people wearing masks. It's amazing how many people think it is too difficult to control the virus. China Vietnam Japan and new Zealand are all in the winner's circle. Where the population followed the instructions. Whereas in the UK we can't even get the population to wear masks properly without people grumbling about government intrusion. In China do you recon the students would have been allowed to attend those parties? Would people be openly slagging off the chief medical officer? Probably be no on both accounts. Western individualism of me first will make this difficult to control.

I think it's genuinely quite scary to see people laud totalitarianism as the answer to this. I honestly wouldn't have believed you if you'd told me that this would be where we'd be now a year ago.

@Marcellemouse

I've heard 2 different people say this in the past few days. What do they mean? Do people really think Coronavirus will just disappear altogether if we get the numbers low enough?

They clearly don't understand the situation.

Every single person I've spoken to understands that you can't beat it that way, and all have expressed a desire just to let it spread and be done with it, despite the problems that brings (this includes people who have caught it and had nasty symptoms and virologists/epidemiologists).

If we all follow the rules, Covid won't vanish BUT it will be at a level where it can be managed. If the rules are ignored, cases will skyrocket, hospitals will be overwhelmed, and many more people will die. Restrictions will be tightened.