The sooner people follow the rules the quicker we'll get rid of Coronavirus...

[Marcellemouse]

I've heard 2 different people say this in the past few days. What do they mean? Do people really think Coronavirus will just disappear altogether if we get the numbers low enough?

[quote Qasd]New Zealand sacked its chief medical officer for not following the lockdown!

This “all the other countries follow the rules it’s just the brits who don’t” is a wonderful narrative but not remotely true!

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-asia-52194407[/quote]
And the other MN favourite - 'all other countries wear masks without complaining, it's just Brits (or just the English) who moan about it':

www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/health/123334/nearly-200-belgians-gather-to-protest-mandatory-face-masks/

www.france24.com/en/20200816-spaniards-hold-anti-mask-protest-in-madrid-as-covid-19-cases-rise

www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/coronavirus-anti-face-mask-protesters-demonstrate-in-rome

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/07/french-anti-maskers-see-themselves-as-free-thinkers-study-shows

I don't think people should have been stupid enough to believe Johnson. It was never going to be stopped in six weeks or by Xmas.
It's a marathon not a sprint. We will get past this in time.

But pubs, gyms etc being open isn't helping. And masks at school would help a bit. The drama over having to make some minor changes is daft.

People need to realise that Covid will never be eradicated - it is in circulation across the globe and is now just another illness alongside flu, chicken pox etc that we will be susceptible to catching.

So with that in mind, is this life now, for the rest of forever one week we're in lockdown then out of lockdown, never being allowed to meet up in a group bigger than 6, every couple of months being banned from mixing with other households/family members, gyms closed, gyms opened again, everything shut at 10pm, kids in and out of school.....

or do we need to start coming to terms with living with this virus and the sad fact that, yes, people are going to die from it. Perhaps what would be more useful to us is for the government to spend the £billions they have found down the back of sofa on getting the NHS into a position to never be overwhelmed, have the best treatment available and to be world beating so that everyone can get on with their lives - that is what is going to help us through this.

I believe there is some truth in this.

I’m in Knowsley on the outskirts of Liverpool. As of tomorrow we’re in tier 3. Knowsley is at the top of the table for worst affected areas and it’s no coincidence that it’s one of the poorest boroughs in England.

Whilst I do see people wearing masks whilst going shopping etc, it hugely varies depending on which area i shop at.

My son is 17 and very compliant as he should be. He’s at a huge 6th form college and many of his friends simply don’t care enough or whatever their reasons are don’t follow the rules. They think they’re invincible.

We’ve got neighbours having parties, sleepovers every weekend with different kids turning up, rule or 6 non existent next door etc etc etc.

Just now on Twitter there was another rant from a taxi driver saying he will be homeless and hungry because of the pubs closing. Another poster asked him what his job is ( I’ve seen him say it before ) and was shocked because they assumed he was in an industry such as the pub game which are shutting.

What followed was loads of abuse of our council leader and mayor and some idiots saying that there would be riots and it’s like Thatcher all over again.

People with this mentality also saying they will do what they want are real and are making it simply impossible for us to get a grip on this virus. There is a huge victim mentality and whilst we’re all suffering in some way, blaming isn’t going to get us out of tier 3. I actually despair.

I've no idea which people really think the virus will go away. Or why living a life with nothing fun and no people in it permanently is better than dying. It isn't.

If numbers are high in Liverpool and remain high R will drop after a while due to community immunity and you'll get to move down a tier.

People aren't going to stand for lockdown this time around. Most people are willing to just take the risk and get on with life.

@Waxonwaxoff0

I hate these comparisons with China. Their human rights record is abysmal. The idea that people would want this country to replicate that sort of totalitarian behaviour is scarier to me than Covid.

It seems many on Mumsnet absolutely want this, it's scary.

@Tootletum

I've no idea which people really think the virus will go away. Or why living a life with nothing fun and no people in it permanently is better than dying. It isn't.

Agree so much with this!

@pennylane83 I agree with you. I'm so frustrated by this now.

I can well believe that @Zoflorabore ,I'm in Bolton untill a few weeks ago we had the dubious honour of being top of the COVID rates for the UK and people were behaving exactly as you describe it's soul destroying.

@Tootletum

I've no idea which people really think the virus will go away. Or why living a life with nothing fun and no people in it permanently is better than dying. It isn't.

Agreed.

I'm March that's what I believed but no longer buy into this bullshit. Everyone should accept to live with this virus and it is up to individuals whether they chose to live locked up forever or get on with it. I'm choosing to get on with it.

Completely disagree with that statement.

It is frustrating though. I feel that I'm doing everything I'm told, at the detriment to my own mental health and happiness, and cases keep going up. It's no wonder people are getting frustrated.

@seriouslynotserious

I'm March that's what I believed but no longer buy into this bullshit. Everyone should accept to live with this virus and it is up to individuals whether they chose to live locked up forever or get on with it. I'm choosing to get on with it.

Same, in March I done everything asked and was thinking we could do this. Now I've realised how ridiculous it is to expect us to get rid of a virus by changing everything about our human nature. Now I'm just mad at how everyone's mental health is being completely shafted for what I believe is inevitable anyway. I said this a few months ago and was called heartless for saying the virus spreading through the population was inevitable. 🙄 I didnt say I wanted it but logically thats what I believed would happen. I think some people just can't handle that certain things happen in nature that will result in people dying.

Also why do people think when we're "allowed" to do something it won't result in the same spread of the virus as doing it now?

The drama over having to make some minor changes is daft.

The "drama" is people's jobs and businesses, and ability to pay their bills and feed themselves.

It's just a wishful way of thinking that give many comfort. If a effective vaccine comes along in the next 6 months, it could work.

But if there is no vaccine we are just delaying the inevitable.

Everyone needs to believe and faith in something to cope. My faith is in nature and science so I cant personally buy into that ideology.

Dont get me wrong, I follow every rule, but I didnt think that will stop what is inevitably going to happen.

Anyway, I thought there would be hundreds of thousands of deaths in the UK and there isnt so what do I know? We are all just guessing. I am happy to let the sciencetist make educated guesses for me. That's the best we have

I can’t understand why people believe this rubbish
Do they not understand how viruses work?

I said on another thread this pandemic has shown me many terrifying things including how scientifically illiterate many people and how many would happily march us into a totalitarian government.

You can't beat a virus by hiding from it. But you can fuck an entire society by shutting everything down. This is not life, this is existence and more and more people won't stand for it. I'm in Tier 3 and there is zero chance that I'm isolating myself from family again.

I don't believe the coronavirus is going to disappear however it's so important for everybody to follow the rules and guidelines.

I remember going babysitting for a family about 15 years ago for a night. They had a teenage, sick in his room with flu. I came down with the very same dose as what he had within some days. I wasn't even in his room.

The virus is a little bit the same. The incubation period for the virus is 14 days. There is also a sweet spot from the virus where someone becomes infectious before showing symptoms.

It's so important for your own health and the health of your family and for your circle of family, friends and work colleagues to keep contacts low. Try and avoid other peoples homes. This will be key to bring the virus cases down.

@toxtethOgradyUSA

Johnson told us we'd be out of this in 6 weeks back in March IF we complied ...

Which we did! There was no where to go! People were terrified! Outdoors, people were jumping into the road and diving into bushes to avoid each other. People were concerned about even the risk of sitting down on a park bench. There was debate about whether going to buy milk was essential and police were threatening to search shipping trolleys for illegal Easter eggs.

The locals at our beach were screaming at everyone to stay away from the massive 3 mile stretch of sand and sea that we have, so it meant those of us that were a little further than walking distance didn't go, even for a walk on a deserted beach. ( Which if I could have, my mental health wouldn't be in the mess it is now)

I got caught short going to the park for a walk when loos were closed and even my husband driving two minutes to pick me up felt like we were at risk of a fine.

Most people stuck to it above and beyond what was made law but stuck to every little guideline too.

And many of us knew it was not going to be six weeks.

‘Every single person I've spoken to understands that you can't beat it that way, and all have expressed a desire just to let it spread and be done with it, despite the problems that brings (this includes people who have caught it and had nasty symptoms and virologists/epidemiologists).’

No one I’ve spoken to has any desire for this. No one. The WHO has just said that herd immunity is immoral and unethical.

Maybe if we had clear data on what was spread from and within institutions - schools, hospitals ( I read 20 percent of hospital cases are caught IN hospital), care homes etc. and what was being spread within the community - the bit we as individuals each doing over but have a modicum of control over, it would be easier to understand the point of the rules.

Also a big thing is are people quarantining properly? Discussion on twitter from people who have been following the data closely seems to suggest that compliance is as low as 1 in 5. If not, what are the reasons? Financial? Social? Etc. Addressing that would go a massive way to reducing spread.

@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince - how do you think vaccines work ???

@Berline

Is the three tier plan law or just guidance? Can we expect another Dominic Cummings-type incident of 'you clowns, this wasn't even law (MY interpretation of what happened with infamous rose garden conference). All the press are making this out to be actual law and, of course, it's not in the government's interests to inform us otherwise. I ask because the degradation of civil liberties angers me. Am I a bolshie goader who just wants to party? No. Or socialise with ten friends? No. I do, however, find the notion of a person unable to visit a lone elderly relative upsetting because of smoke and mirrors.

Totally agree. It's worth reading the legislation. It's awful that the exceptions that are there to protect elderly relatives and so many more people classed as vulnerable aren't properly publicised for people who are terrified of breaking the law. The definition of a vulnerable person that you can provide help for is very interesting. The list of exceptions for gatherings is also vast.

Reading the legislation is not beyond most people and a much clearer guide than the diagrams that have been produced that don't tell the whole story and leave people to fall through the cracks.