Sounds like Boris wants Manchester in tier 3

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He mentioned about hoping MPs would allow Manchester to go into tier 3 but isn't it up to him anyway even if Andy Burnham says no?

Graham Brady is a good MP? He's my MP and I don't believe he represents me or my constituency at all.

@amusedtodeath1

There are no actual restrictions on travel in tier 3 areas, only guidance. In any event, education is essential travel.

[quote Ecosse]@amusedtodeath1

There are no actual restrictions on travel in tier 3 areas, only guidance. In any event, education is essential travel.[/quote]
Give it til next week.

Thats the change after the one tomorrow that put the NW in T3 to start with.

Next week changes to make travel outside the area for none essential reasons will be made legal not just guidance.

Its getting ridiculous.

If you regularly travel between councils or live near a county border its a nightmare keeping up with what the government have decided today.

@ColdBlow

I just had a little cry about this. A bit tragic, I know but I can't face the gym closing and losing the only bit of me time, away from the house.

I disagree with Sir Graham on pretty much everything but he's a good constituency MP and I hope he fights our corner.

You are still allowed to exercise outside away from your home. Try it. Times are different, you have to try and adapt.

You are still allowed to exercise outside away from your home.

I do, in an outdoor swimming pool that I expect to shut under T3. I am recovering from a back injury and find exercising without being in water makes it worse.

So fully expecting to be in tier 3 by the weekend. But I can’t work out whether I can still visit my parents’ house. Only about 45 mins away but in a different area (tier 2). We’re in a bubble so I think ok but not clear if restrictions on travelling out of tier 3 areas override the bubbles or not?

@Username198

So fully expecting to be in tier 3 by the weekend. But I can’t work out whether I can still visit my parents’ house. Only about 45 mins away but in a different area (tier 2). We’re in a bubble so I think ok but not clear if restrictions on travelling out of tier 3 areas override the bubbles or not?

The way I read it is it's advised not to travel Outside tier 3 so I would say yes you can.

You can still meet up with people in your support bubble because, when you bubble with them, you are then regarded as one household.

We're in Warrington, it feels like tier 3 will soon be closing in all around us, I suspect they might think 'sod it' and chuck us in there too

@TokyoSushi

We're in Warrington, it feels like tier 3 will soon be closing in all around us, I suspect they might think 'sod it' and chuck us in there too

Theres 2 beds left in ICU at Warrington according to skynews yesterday. Warrington will almost certainly go t3 when its announced for Manchester later today.

The situation is quite critical there unfortunately.

Johnson wants tier 3
Burnham wants circuit breaker with KS
Brady doesn’t want lockdown

Is that right?

Brady would prefer tier 3 to national circuit breaker surely?

We just need a decision one way or the other, do I take the chicken out of the freezer or am I going to the local pub for food tonight?

Listening to R4 sounds like government won’t budge even though Burnham etc won’t except tier 3.

What a stand off.

Tier 3 funding 2/3 same as France, Spain and Germany

@Username198

So fully expecting to be in tier 3 by the weekend. But I can’t work out whether I can still visit my parents’ house. Only about 45 mins away but in a different area (tier 2). We’re in a bubble so I think ok but not clear if restrictions on travelling out of tier 3 areas override the bubbles or not?

Restrictions allow for the maintainence of bubbles. But if you are in a very high risk area, then exercising caution is probably wise if anyone in your support bubble is clinically vulnerable.

@MarshaBradyo

Johnson wants tier 3 Burnham wants circuit breaker with KS Brady doesn’t want lockdown

Is that right?

Brady would prefer tier 3 to national circuit breaker surely?

The problem with the whole tier 3 thing is the lack of criteria for exit. So if you go in you could be in for 6 months. Thats ultimately what Burnham is most worried about. If its 2 weeks with shit financial support thats doable.

The reality is that under the circumstances as much as possible in the NW must close asap.

I think Burnham is right on needing an exit strategy but 2 weeks isnt going to be long enough. The financial package is the real issue as Greater Manchester is already up shit creek with what its spent on covid restrictions over the last six months because its had a prolonged problem.

The government are being shit in failing to recognise this when they have spunked billions up the wall on didos project that is crap.

It’s seems the whole of Europe is grappling with this full v local lockdown dilemma.
It seems very unfair to penalise say east anglia because of high rates in Liverpool do local or regional is surely the only way to go. Burnhams argument seems to me to be that the north was put into lockdown too early in March because of London therefore everyone should be put into lockdown because of the north but that argument ignores the fact that we knew a lot less about the virus in March, the nation including the north wanted a full lockdown then and a local lockdown in London only in March would have been met with cries of unfair from everyone else.
I think the balance in the general publi has now switched from pro lockdown to a more nuanced understanding of the cons of lockdown ( hence why I think Keir has misread the room on his circuit breaker idea, just like he misread the room on brexit)
Maybe a compromise is for furlough payments to increase to say 70% for areas in tier 3 longer than 3 weeks or whatever but that does bring a perverse incentive of areas not wanting to then go from tier 3 to tier 2!

Will we find out today? It's like being in bloody limbo.

@userxx

Will we find out today? It's like being in bloody limbo.

Should do.

Hancock is due in Parliament at 11.30am this morning and the feeling is he will announce any new restrictions then.

So we should know by then at the latest but there will probably be strong hints at exactly where is affected by mid morning.

The Times thinks its more than Lancashire and Greater Manchester going into T3. They speculated last night it was the NE, most of the NE and parts of West Yorkshire with London going into T2.

*sorry most of the NW.

Tory party at war with itself again!

The problem with local lockdowns is a: there is a border to them and b: there is little to stop anyone going in/out of the area.

Places have been in local downs for weeks now but infection rates have soared.

People don't have any trust in Johnson, so don't obey the restrictions.

@RedToothBrush Thanks for that, I'll keep an eye on the news.

@sashagabadon

It’s seems the whole of Europe is grappling with this full v local lockdown dilemma. It seems very unfair to penalise say east anglia because of high rates in Liverpool do local or regional is surely the only way to go. Burnhams argument seems to me to be that the north was put into lockdown too early in March because of London therefore everyone should be put into lockdown because of the north but that argument ignores the fact that we knew a lot less about the virus in March, the nation including the north wanted a full lockdown then and a local lockdown in London only in March would have been met with cries of unfair from everyone else. I think the balance in the general publi has now switched from pro lockdown to a more nuanced understanding of the cons of lockdown ( hence why I think Keir has misread the room on his circuit breaker idea, just like he misread the room on brexit) Maybe a compromise is for furlough payments to increase to say 70% for areas in tier 3 longer than 3 weeks or whatever but that does bring a perverse incentive of areas not wanting to then go from tier 3 to tier 2!

If you want to do that fine. But fund the Northern lockdown better so that the north south divide doesn't increase.

I don't agree with Burnhams assessment that the lock down in the north was too early tbh. I think early lockdowns are better in the long term and the reason the north had less success with the original one is because it has higher levels of poverty.

The lack of success of the april lockdown in the northwest should give food for thought in terms of funding it. If its not resourced any restrictions now will be ineffective at getting the R below 1 enough to have a meaningful impact. And i think thats the danger.

As it goes i think a national lockdown is preferable simply because everywhere else is headed in the same direction plus the likelihood is we will see the same pattern emerging elsewhere and the situation in the north being prolonged if we dont.

We need hospitals elsewhere in the country to stay low for local admissions so they can take the patients from across the country.

Using local lockdowns risks a problem with multiple issues across the country emerging with no capacity for overspill left.

twitter.com/KayBurley/status/1316631733765365760
Kay Burley (skynews) tweet with clip of Business Minister Nadhim Zahawi in which he appears to accidentally reveal that restrictions for Manchester have indeed been decided (without local consultation).

MPs Afzal Khan(Lab), Lisa Nandy(Lab) and William Wragg(Con) all furious at the way its being handled and how they are not being kept in the loop and are complaining on twitter about it.

Red I can’t view it but I’m not surprised if so. On R4 this morning government sounded as if they were not budging.