Is the North being thrown to the wolves?

[DilemmaDerby]

All those buying cities that were in growth Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds. A big red splotch over Yorkshire when parts are fine.

Not a theorist, total compliance at the beginning, but with the edicts of no non-essential travel in and out. It’s all going a bit Hunger Games for my liking!

I'm in Greater Manchester, and didn't vote tbh.
It is what it is, whether you like the facts or not, there is no "attitude" just facts.

Why would you not vote? Genuine question. I'll be honest, I've spoilt my paper on a number of occasions.

@CrappleUmble
But it's only because politicians are just point scoring. Tories are out against labour and labour are out against Tories. not talking about one individual party, I'm saying they should all put their parties aside for a while and work together. Politicians in my area are just moaning about central government rather than focusing on what matters, getting the country back on it's feet. Liverpool have been given chances to improve and avoid local lockdown but I seen nothing from my local government to avoid it. Just moaning.

Bluesheep

Not being arsy but I didn't ask for a referendum and wasn't going to vote.
Didn't like any of the candidates in gen election.
When there's something to vote for, I will/do.

The numbers in Liverpool have been rising rapidly since August but I noticed that the local council did not start making noise about it until all of the students were securely tied in to their accommodation contracts. Liverpool has far too much invested in universities and student accommodation.

[quote fashu]@CrappleUmble
But it's only because politicians are just point scoring. Tories are out against labour and labour are out against Tories. not talking about one individual party, I'm saying they should all put their parties aside for a while and work together. Politicians in my area are just moaning about central government rather than focusing on what matters, getting the country back on it's feet. Liverpool have been given chances to improve and avoid local lockdown but I seen nothing from my local government to avoid it. Just moaning.[/quote]
If you think they should all make an effort to work together, I agree with that. What isn't possible is for the local politicians, who don't have as much power, to take the decision to work with central government when they're being excluded. There's nothing they can actually do if they're not allowed in. But I 100% concur, it would be in all our interests if Westminster and the local mayors were working together. That would be my preference.

I put this on the data thread. I noticed today that numbers are slowly decreasing in the student areas if Leeds. There's a lag, so a bit soon to draw conclusions but the graph shows the infections LA wide may have peaked.

It could be a change in testing strategy, lockdown of students, or tailing off because many of the student population have had the infection.

Well that played out exactly as I thought. Tier 2, childcare options fucked so as of today I’m a criminal.

Yet there is a gap of over 600 cases per 100,000 between us and the city that got us locked down.

All of London Tier 1. Not that I want Londoners locked in, but my area rates are lower. So tell me again there isn’t a N/S divide in this thinking?

@cathyandclare

I put this on the data thread. I noticed today that numbers are slowly decreasing in the student areas if Leeds. There's a lag, so a bit soon to draw conclusions but the graph shows the infections LA wide may have peaked.

It could be a change in testing strategy, lockdown of students, or tailing off because many of the student population have had the infection.

Or it could be because those infected will have been isolating for 2 weeks, along with their flat mates (who probably haven't caught it). When they're allowed out again, it could well start spreading again.

My son is at Uni in a flat of 8. They've been locked down for 2 weeks due to one of them having a positive test. The other 7 have no symptoms. That's 7 people who are likely to get it once they go out again. The Uni generally is very quiet because of the sheer number of students having to isolate, not because they have it, but because their flat mate has it! I think there'll be wave after wave at Unis as each flat goes in/comes out of lockdown.

@DilemmaDerby

Well that played out exactly as I thought. Tier 2, childcare options fucked so as of today I’m a criminal.

Yet there is a gap of over 600 cases per 100,000 between us and the city that got us locked down.

All of London Tier 1. Not that I want Londoners locked in, but my area rates are lower. So tell me again there isn’t a N/S divide in this thinking?

There was a local health officer on our local radio this morning explaining this. Trouble is that if you close, say, pubs in Town A, but not the other towns in the county, people will just travel from town A to pubs in the other towns. They're having to apply the same rules to entire county/LA areas surrounding badly affected towns to protect those other towns from the influx of people from the badly affected town. When explained like that, it makes more sense.

A sample of students in Manchester showed over 42% infection prevalence, so quite a high proportion already in some places.