Worrying about 2nd national lockdown

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I’m extremely worried that we’ll end up in a 2nd national lockdown and the 1st one has delayed my things enough, it’s done enough damage as it is. I was sick of it, everyday was the same boring crap bull. I’m trying to sort my life out and if this second one happens it’s going to ruin it for a 2nd time. I haven’t slept for a few nights because I have just been stressed and worried that they’ll be a second national lockdown. If you understood what I was going through then you would understand. 2020 is over nearly and the majority of the year we have had this lockdown. I mean it’s just one thing after another.

Oh for heaven’s sake, all this ‘can’t see my family’ hand-wringing. We have simple technology that enables us to either talk or video each other. Can’t imagine ANYONE without some sort of phone at least, even the bog standard plugged to the wall kind.

But it's really not the same. We're social beings - while technology is great and has probably made this whole situation easier for people it is no substitute for seeing loved ones in person.

I'm completely zoomed out. I want to see my friends, I want to hug them, I want to sit in a room and have drinks with free flowing conversation not the forced formality of an online interaction.

Oh for heaven’s sake, all this ‘can’t see my family’ hand-wringing. We have simple technology that enables us to either talk or video each other.

What if the relative in question has dementia which makes using a phone, any kind of phone, impossible?

It’s very unlikely that there will be a national lockdown and if there is it won’t be like last time because we know more about covid and we have more measures in place. We would be allowed to go outside, move around, most of us will still be able to go to work (unless you work in hospitality of course). We just won’t be able to mix households and pubs/restaurants will be closed.

I know it’s hard, I know it’s depressing, lots of people are effected by it, some worse than others. It kind of feels like life is on hold and we are not sure how long for. I’m waiting for a hospital referral for a condition that’s making my life hell, this is delayed greatly by covid, I’m a single mum to 2 disabled kids and have had no respite since March, it’s been awful, I have no social life and meeting new people is almost impossible right now. I try and focus on the good points, my job is safe, I have a roof over my head and food on the table. This is only temporary and things will eventually get easier (we just don’t know when).

@BluebellsGreenbells

We've not been able to mix households for months. Numbers have continued to rise so they clearly don't work

They don’t work because they aren’t being followed. Hence tighter restrictions.

People will continue to mix. At this stage tighter restrictions won't help. Shutting pubs won't help in my area as that's not where the infections are - the issue is household transmission and that will continue as it's difficult to police.

All that tighter local restrictions will do is shut down businesses and ruin people's livelihoods.

I don't, by the way, buy the argument (intended to appeal to our selfishness) about hospitals being fucked without a second lockdown. Whatever we do, the NHS is unlikely to be much use to us before there's a vaccine. It isn't really functioning. There are 90x more people waiting 52 weeks + to start treatment than there were a year ago. Cases were very low for months in the summer but it doesn't seem to have helped.

My mother died this summer of cancer after treatment delayed by lockdown. I have not been able to see a GP in 2020 and have been to A&E in severe pain. The antidepressant that I was prescribed years ago is no longer easily available and my GP claims (by phone) to be unable to prescribe an alternative. DS hasn't been able to have his flu vaccine. From my perspective, the NHS is already offering me zero care. The local pediatric A&E has closed. There's nothing to protect, from a selfish point of view because I and my family have received no meaningful care in 2020.

There will be numerous local lockdowns like those being announced today. They will carry on as long as the Covid cases and deaths continue to rise again. If people breach the lockdowns they will carry on even longer.

I agree with you and that is why I am so angry at students at the local uni in Exeter who thought it would be a great idea to gather in a group of around a hundred or more outside a venue after a party. The university now has a growing number of infections. This area of the country was doing great yet in come the SELFISH stupid university students and suddenly the rate is growing (7th highest in the country) - the university has reported a huge number of cases.

University students need keeping in isolation at uni and not being allowed to spread this out to the community. The stupid parents with their pathetic chorus of you can't keep them in lockdown poor things and their mental health and we saw on here when Liverpool uni went into lock down should realise that if they weren't so bloody selfish we wouldn't be in this position anyway! Selfish, entitled bunch of cunts out partying and gathering in huge groups

@DotBall

The people who want to see their families aren't "idiotic". They're normal. The rules that are being imposed on people in that regard are unreasonable and cruel

Oh for heaven’s sake, all this ‘can’t see my family’ hand-wringing. We have simple technology that enables us to either talk or video each other. Can’t imagine ANYONE without some sort of phone at least, even the bog standard plugged to the wall kind.

Unless someone needs personal care or is ill, there really is no need to actually visit someone in person.

My mum in her 70s lives 200 miles away and have seen each other once, after I stopped shielding in August. Our planned October / Christmas visits are not going ahead. We phone every day though.

It is NOT THE FUCKING SAME. My 97-year-old granny is in a care home. Yes I can book Skype slots to speak to her but a) they only book them on days when I’m at work, b) the connection is appalling and c) she’s deaf so can’t hear what I’m saying. On what planet is electronic communication the same as being able to see someone and hug them? Why do some people have this desperate need to convince everyone that the current situation isn’t utter shit?

There won't be a second national lockdown. Just lots of local ones

Which amounts to a national lockdown (excluding Cornwall)

Exeter was really low and doing so well with all the measures and in come the entitled, selfish university students and this is the local problem now

The most recent COVID-cluster map, released yesterday evening, showed Exeter's Pennsylvania & University had 322 cases of coronavirus reported in the week up to October 6.

Solution - lockdown the university and send their bleeding hearts parents the invoice for the local hospital care homes who have to deal with their sprogs pathetic ignorance

University students need keeping in isolation at uni and not being allowed to spread this out to the community. The stupid parents with their pathetic chorus of you can't keep them in lockdown poor things and their mental health and we saw on here when Liverpool uni went into lock down should realise that if they weren't so bloody selfish we wouldn't be in this position anyway! Selfish, entitled bunch of cunts out partying and gathering in huge groups

I agree some students are entitled (I won't use the insulting misogynistic word you unnecessarily used for them). But I wonder how many of them are clogging up RD&E? I suspect: virtually none of them.

My mother lives in Teignbridge and their rates have increased too. Nothing to do with the university, which is miles away. Rates are increasing everywhere but universities are a hotspot, and not all students are entitled or selfish. It almost certainly doesn't affect you or yours, so follow the rules yourself, keep away from the university area and you'll be fine.

Madrid even took it to court and won. Madrid is in emergency measures. Most analysis say it was a combination of the conflicted governance, no clear and enforced guidance, bars and restaurants packed full all summer of locals who did not socially distance or go outside instead, and a terrible trace and track. Lockdown may well have been avoidable in Madrid if they insisted on outside eating and drinking only and a good track and trace program.

Well, it’s not a national lockdown in name, but it certainly seems like one in substance. Christmas is most definitely cancelled. I can’t see how they can allow households to mix / travelling across the country the way things are. Meanwhile I think fatigue has set in. People who were compliant at the start of lockdown have had enough now. I’ve even had people say to me not to tell their other halves what they’ve been doing!

I am sad at the divisions that the bad management of COVID-19 is causing. At all the posters arguing that it is the students or about who can see families or not.

PLEASE READ THIS - THE TRACE AND TRACE AND PUBLIC HEALTH MANAGEMENT IN THE UK IS THE CORE OF CONTAINING THE VIRUS - AND OUR LEADERSHIP HAS FAILED.

Because it is bad management from leadership that is at the heart of having to go into any other lockdowns. Leadership at many levels. They had the whole summer to improve management. Public Health Teams, Medics and Epidemiologists were voicing their concerns all summer and suggesting better management - but were largely ignored.

Track and trace is KEY. - it is not the only thing and we do all have to take responsibility for not spreading the virus - however we would have had much more leeway if the track and trace was in the responsibility of local Public Health Teams. Instead Boris and Cummings gave it to Dido Harding and Deloitte and other ‘mates’ who set up failed phone Apps. The track and trace is not just a phone app - it is skilled professionals.

On top of that, it needs a skilled reopening of society, which should have been Public Health led.

Staying two steps ahead of the virus is absolutely key.

In Europe it is clear where the leadership is lacking. In German the leadership is pretty good and they are well on top of their case numbers. It is still hard, nowhere is safe, but they have a much better handle on it.

If you look at places where they have even more of a handle on it, such as Taiwan and Thailand, they have had only a handful of deaths and low numbers of cases, and have remained largely open throughout.

Good management = less lockdowns..

Why are students selfish?!

Governments are moronic letting students into halls.

@hopsalong I'm so sorry about your dm.

@cologne4711

It almost certainly doesn't affect you or yours, so follow the rules yourself, keep away from the university area and you'll be fine.

It most certainly does affect me and mine! We were doing fine until that bunch of useless twats decided that social distancing doesn't apply to them. Yes they aren't clogging up the hospitals but they were out on the streets getting in the way of drivers going about their business, needing doormen to keep the drunken asses off the roads and keep them safe . THEY have increased the likelihood of the rest of us having restrictions in place because they don't appear to be able to stay on campus and isolate and keep away from others so they are spreading it around. Now when that spread reaches people I know who are clinically vulnerable then yes the entitled idiots deserve slating. Watch the video of the idiots after a student party congregating in the streets, using the local shops and wandering back to their accommodation! Bloody useless and selfish twats

www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/exeter-seventh-highest-infection-rate-4596649

some foolish person was asking if there was a university in my district since the infection had increased it must be Students

@Benjispruce2

I don’t agree that most are ignoring the rules. I’m following them but find it tidy that I go to work in a school where it is impossible to say 2m away from 4/5/6 year olds, no ppe then come out and have to wear a mask in an empty shop or that I can’t sit or stand with 7 people outside! The rules need to make sense.

Totally with you on this. Spare a thought for those keyworkers that cannot wfh and are put at considerable risk. What also gets me is, since it it a new virus how do they know the effects later on down the line after children get it? What research has been done that years later it does not lead to kidney damage? They are letting it rip through schools with no idea of the reprocutions later on.

Christmas is cancelled???

That is such melodramatic nonsense. Christmas will still be on 25 December, people can still have a turkey dinner, exchange presents, watch TV, go for winter walks, speak to family, get dressed up if they want etc etc.

Given the endless strife on here re Christmas I would have thought it would be welcome!!

@cologne4711

People like you that keep making excuses for university students and their selfish spreading are the reason why more restrictions and lockdowns are needed for people that go about their lives being careful.
What you appear to have forgotten is that these students do go out and about and gradually spread to others

Uni students 322 cases - some of those are not isolating - out and about spreading in cafes and other pubs - then those people go off an infect others that they come into contact with. What you fail to realise is that Uni students do not live in a bubble - they don't bother - they go out and about and infect others but hey ho they are fit, young and healthy so they won't clog up A&E but they gradually spread it outwards and then eventually it spreads to others older and more vulnerable than them..... that is how the virus works!

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow

This is why university students are selfish

www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/exeter-seventh-highest-infection-rate-4596649

The government doesn't make them go out get drunk and then hang around in huge numbers outside venues .... they obviously think the rule of 6 doesn't apply to them - therefore they are selfish!

I personally hope that they make them all isolate in halls/accommodation then the little darlings will be screaming mental health concerns. It appears they cannot live without getting drunk and congregating in groups.

I don't know why so many people are anti students on here. You realize that these people will be the nurses, doctors, teachers, scientists, researchers etc of tomorrow. And they are paying £9000 a year for tuition fees and the same again for accommodation. Not really sure what makes them 'little darlings' or similar. Most of them are absolutely following the rules but they are living in box rooms and sharing kitchens, bathrooms and communal areas. This is how the virus is spreading (evident because it's students in the same accommodation who are going down).

@hopeishere

Christmas is cancelled???

That is such melodramatic nonsense. Christmas will still be on 25 December, people can still have a turkey dinner, exchange presents, watch TV, go for winter walks, speak to family, get dressed up if they want etc etc.

Given the endless strife on here re Christmas I would have thought it would be welcome!!

It'll be very bloody welcome here, I can tell you.

The anti student sentiment is always there .... my local press Facebook page is always full of people slagging off the university and the students forgetting that they both bring a lot to the local community.

Not all students are breaking the rules just like not all of 'the north' is.... but that doesn't stop people on here presenting it as fact 🙄