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Worrying about 2nd national lockdown

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qwertyqwerty1 · 11/10/2020 22:06

I’m extremely worried that we’ll end up in a 2nd national lockdown and the 1st one has delayed my things enough, it’s done enough damage as it is. I was sick of it, everyday was the same boring crap bull. I’m trying to sort my life out and if this second one happens it’s going to ruin it for a 2nd time. I haven’t slept for a few nights because I have just been stressed and worried that they’ll be a second national lockdown. If you understood what I was going through then you would understand. 2020 is over nearly and the majority of the year we have had this lockdown. I mean it’s just one thing after another.

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larrygrylls · 12/10/2020 06:26

There is a lot of crap about people ‘doing their own thing’ and ignoring a lockdown.

The government desperately wants to avoid a lockdown so, if there is one, it will mean that we are projected very soon to run out of hospital capacity.

Most, at that point, will are the need for it but, for those who don’t, there will be more enforcement. The government has learned from the last one that people doing their bit expect others to as well and want enforcement.

Of course, if you want to quietly see one friend or relative, you will be able to (illegally). No one wants police in people’s homes, unless they are clearly partying. That aspect will be conscience driven and people must make their own decisions about what is morally right for them. But, with work, entertainment and shops closed, a lockdown will work (in the sense of breaking transmission).

However, vanishingly few people enjoy it (contrary to a MN trope) and it is very much a last resort. I think that we should be able to avoid it and it is not worth stressing over until it actually happens.

Monty27 · 12/10/2020 06:28

It's did advice from a bunch of hypocrites. How can people be expected to heed their guidelines?
Just use your intelligence and keep safe everyone 👍

TheSeedsOfADream · 12/10/2020 06:29

I think it's a given that quite a few total local lockdowns are on the way. Although really, to predict what Boris will do in the future, it's useful to see what he says he won't be doing, or doesn't want to do. Because so far, he's done every single one of those things but at a much later date when the horse has invariably bolted.

The country has been fucked over by the government throughout this. People aren't complying because a) there are no sanctions if they don't b) the govt is on catch up the whole time with govts who have at least mitigated the situation for its people c) people are inherently selfish.

Madrid is heading for another total lockdown. Friends and colleagues there are taking it as a given over the next week or so.

Monty27 · 12/10/2020 06:30

*ridiculous advice

larrygrylls · 12/10/2020 06:36

They should have had a 2 week half term.

The current driver seems to be education.

I think that they are hoping that once it has worked its way through schools and unis that, with reasonable precautions, things will stabilise.

London seems to have a much lower r as I think that we were hit very hard in the 1st wave and there is an element of herd immunity.

Also, to date, nationally, hospitals are coping well. However, in local lockdown areas, they are struggling.

It is touch and go but people are assuming the worst when it won’t necessarily happen (and, every day, a vaccine gets closer).

Itisbetter · 12/10/2020 06:41

Surely it makes no difference if lockdowns are local or national to you as an individual? If you are IN lockdown you aren’t going to be impacted by someone else in the country being lockdowned too or not. It’s better for everyone if the local lockdowns work because then the working part of the country can support the nonworking part. We are living through a pandemic though so the likelihood is, if people are doing nothing to stop spread then spread will happen. Is it really so hard to wash your hands, give each other a bit more room, and wear a face mask?? If it was done diligently around you then you’d be very unlikely to get the disease at all.

PutThemInTheIronMaiden · 12/10/2020 06:42

The way I look at it is that there are always worse situations in life. Yes you might miss people but we all parade our poppies once a year and most of us have stories about how our forefathers fought for our freedom. Mothers who had to look after many children while their husbands and sons were off fighting. My Nan fell pregnant during my Grandad's leave and then didn't see him until my Aunty was a year old. They had no contact for months at a time where she didn't know if he was dead or alive or a POW. Compared to the Spanish flu we don't know we're born. Obviously I'm only talking about the non-contact, not money worries etc.

speakout · 12/10/2020 06:43

Most people are not "idiotic fools", it is the actions of poor government leadership that is to blame.
People on the whole have been extremely compliant- the odd house party is devoured by the press but we have as a nation been very patient and hhave done what we can.

Meanwhile thousands of people have been streaming into airports with no health checks or safeguarding quarantine allowing Covid to stram in from other parts of the world negating our efforts on the domestic front.
I live in lockdown zone in Scotland- within a few short weeks we have gone from a situation of restaurants being jam packed due to the Eat out to Help out scheme directed by Westminster to all restaurants and bars being closed completely.
It makes no sense.
And even in this current lockdown I can see people taking things into their own hands.
It's clear the government are handling this crisis badly and people are becoming fed up .
"We will be fine if we stick to the rules" doesn't was well with me.
I take steps to minimise risk, but now its on my terms.

rwalker · 12/10/2020 06:43

If the 1st lockdown (and every other countries ) proved anything is that it just comes back .
Irrespective it of how soon it was done I think we will come to a point where lockdowns will be worse than the virus .

Worriedmum999 · 12/10/2020 06:53

The WHO only recommend lockdown as a last resort as they say that track and trace should be used. But we have fucked that. So there will be no alternative soon to lockdowns. People wanting legal action to stop them....I’m not sure what you expect the government to do. If they let hospitals become overwhelmed then thousands of people will die needlessly and there will be a breakdown of society. I’m not sure all these local lockdowns are working and just seem to be prolonging the inevitable. We need another national lockdown to get things back down so hopefully a better track and trace attempt can be made. It’s utterly shit but nothing about this is good.

Benjispruce2 · 12/10/2020 07:01

I don’t agree that most are ignoring the rules. I’m following them but find it tidy that I go to work in a school where it is impossible to say 2m away from 4/5/6 year olds, no ppe then come out and have to wear a mask in an empty shop or that I can’t sit or stand with 7 people outside! The rules need to make sense.

Benjispruce2 · 12/10/2020 07:01

Tidy??? Silly!!

Bluesheep8 · 12/10/2020 07:03

There is a lot of crap about people ‘doing their own thing’ and ignoring a lockdown.

I see and hear about people ignoring it all the time. I don't ask people what they did at the weekend any more as it makes me too angry when the answer is "visited my parents and my siblings and their families were there too" or "went to a large house party" or "had a group of friends from 3 other households round for a meal and to stay over" Hmm

ivykaty44 · 12/10/2020 07:07

All of my cousins, one brother and one sister had their birthdays ruined by lockdowns,

there are people out their that can't hold their relatives hand when they die or say goodbye, can't have a proper funeral and wake. People dying at home has increased dramatically due to car rein the home rather than hospital (for people already ill and dying) and can't access proper help as covid19 has prevented this

and then you read about someones birthday being ruined...ffs

Hyperfish101 · 12/10/2020 07:07

I would have preferred the suggested 2 week circuit breaker shout down to what appears to be on the horizon as of today.

Potential of up to 6 months of hard core restrictions reviewed monthly. That’s so grim.

Wonder what they will do about Xmas? It’s such an important part of UK culture and economy.

Hyperfish101 · 12/10/2020 07:08

Shut down not shout down.

MissEliza · 12/10/2020 07:11

@ivykaty44 yes I was quite gobsmacked when I read that comment. I have a ds at uni who's stressed about being able to continue his course but I guess he's a lucky boy as he had a nice birthday Hmm.

PollyPelargonium52 · 12/10/2020 07:16

Can people stop calling it track and trace it is test and trace.

ivykaty44 · 12/10/2020 07:16

@MissEliza aren't they lucky all they've had to worry about is their birthday...

ivykaty44 · 12/10/2020 07:18

Can people stop calling it track and trace it is test and trace.

why does it matter? you obviously know what is meant

Bluesheep8 · 12/10/2020 07:18

All of my cousins, one brother and one sister had their birthdays ruined by lockdowns,

Is this a joke?

SueEllenMishke · 12/10/2020 07:24

There won't be a second national lockdown. Just lots of local ones. Try not to worry too much, although I know that's easier said than done

What about those of us who've been in a local lockdown area since the end of July? We've not been able to mix households for months. Numbers have continued to rise so they clearly don't work.

I'm not sure I can take anymore.

DotBall · 12/10/2020 07:27

The people who want to see their families aren't "idiotic". They're normal. The rules that are being imposed on people in that regard are unreasonable and cruel

Oh for heaven’s sake, all this ‘can’t see my family’ hand-wringing. We have simple technology that enables us to either talk or video each other. Can’t imagine ANYONE without some sort of phone at least, even the bog standard plugged to the wall kind.

Unless someone needs personal care or is ill, there really is no need to actually visit someone in person.

My mum in her 70s lives 200 miles away and have seen each other once, after I stopped shielding in August. Our planned October / Christmas visits are not going ahead. We phone every day though.

hopsalong · 12/10/2020 07:29

*And hang the consequences for those that suffer.
*
Interesting moral territory. How far should we go to alleviate others' suffering, and at what sacrifice to ourselves? To some extent this depends on the efficacy of our actions. We can stay at home, lose our jobs, become unhappier and poorer, and sacrifice our children's education. But how effective is it as a strategy? Somewhat effective. But not entirely so, because community transmission is not the only way for someone to get covid.
And our own demands on the NHS are not reduced by staying in. If we become poorer and less fit, over the long run they will increase.

As ethical conundra, these questions are often phrased as visual scenes -- e.g. the trolley problem. And usually the consequences (eg of pulling a lever) are much clearer than here, where our actions may have little or no effect anyway. Do we have the same responsibility to people we don't know and will never see? If we do, why pre-pandemic were most of us content not to give most all of our income away?

More pressingly, why is the life of one (probably elderly) British person worth more to us than that of thousands of children in other parts of the world dying of hunger and easily curable illnesses? Why is it a better idea to socially distance to prevent the transmission of covid, than to go out to work, make as much money as possible, and give it to children in developing countries whose suffering we can alleviate with simple, tested and cheap interventions?

None of these questions is ethically easy. Anyone who pretends that there's one clear, morally right path isn't thinking hard enough.

BluebellsGreenbells · 12/10/2020 07:30

We've not been able to mix households for months. Numbers have continued to rise so they clearly don't work

They don’t work because they aren’t being followed. Hence tighter restrictions.

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