What's all this Monday talk all about?

[november90]

What now!!!
I'm in Lancashire in a local lockdown and I keep hearing people saying that things are going to change on Monday and there's been some sort of "leaked document" confirming so.
I've not seen anything confirmed and I'm not here to spread gossip... just wondering if anyone can shed any light? Is it about to get a whole lot worse for us lot in the north west? 😰

@ilovesooty

If you're in the red tier it looks as though there won't be support bubbles.

Where do you get this from Sooty?

Well according to Andy Burnham, all the press were briefed before the local government and MPs were so he seems to think so!
I’d rely on the bbc before anything I read on the daily fail. 50/100,000 would be over 2/3 of the country and would be economically unviable

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-54463081

If anyone is watching the bbc news at 10 they are saying that no decisions have been finalised on what tier 3 is or where they will be

I so hope they keep support bubbles in tier 3. It is really worrying me

@EducatingArti it's in the attachment @ceeveebee posted.

That's not the final version. Tier 3 is still being debated.

@EducatingArti

That's not the final version. Tier 3 is still being debated.

Yes, I did say that upthread.

Students at university are pushing up the numbers really high in some of these areas. They are mostly now locked away in their uni halls and are not even ill and most have no symptoms!

We have 277 cases, so I guess we'll be in tier 3 🙁

While the govt are all over the place on this, I thought this was meant as the 'circuit breaker' approach so that we don't end up with this level of lockdown all winter. Burnham and the other leaders in the NW have said there must be local furlough schemes for them to agree to it, was what I heard on the radio earlier.

Meanwhile...... from cancer research uk...

Cancer mortality · There are around 165,000 cancer deaths in the UK every year, that's around 450 every day (2015-2017).

I just don’t trust them to only do a 2 weeks “circuit breaker”. We were told in July that the greater Manchester restrictions would likely be for 3 weeks and we are still under them (and they haven’t worked). Surely the impact of any restrictions takes a couple of weeks to show though, and they won’t release us until the rates are much lower. To quote Andy Burnham, local lockdown is like hotel California, once you are in them you can never leave...

ceeveebee agree. I remember the first 3 week lockdown which then turned into months and months for most and some have never really escaped it. Spain had a really strong lockdown and they are now back in the same position so the strategy just doesn’t work.

I am so worried about job losses including whole industries.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54463081

This suggests it's not the previously rumoured 2 week circuit breaker

"A final decision on the time period or extent of potential closures has not yet been made and a formal announcement is not likely to come until Monday, BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg said."

If there is a ban (under Orange - 2nd tier) of households not mixing, how would this potentially affect a business that is run from home that has one-to-one contact with clients? Business only uses one room in the home but other family members in home too.

@RedDiamond Seems to be fine. The cash changing hands keeps everyone safe apparently. Lots of the country already has those restrictions and businesses continue to operate.

I’m getting really fed up now, - not to mention the population with mental health issues. I’m also not from the North, but regardless, this sounds like basically a lockdown to me - with the exception that you can go to school, and shop in primark. No social mixing is the worst. I still don’t see why you could sit 2m from a stranger outside, but not 2m from a family member outside? If you can’t mix households, then a lot of people will be unable to work, as no childcare.

I’m not sure what the answer is, but I went to Italy in the summer, and their strategy was better than ours. They temperature test in so many locations, very strict on their mask policy (even stricter now) and they do enforce the rules,and plenty of hand sanitizer- even in the streets. Also their temperature guide is over 37.5 you have to isolate, not 38. Their cases have increased still, but way lower than ours at 3000 ish a day. I’d personally rather wear a mask in the street and have my temperature checked if it meant we could still meet friends and family, and support restaurants etc.

I’m in a town with 428/100,000 (which always makes me smile because there aren’t 100,000 people live here - yes I know it’s a way of standardising the measure but it means there are less than 428 who actually have it) we will be in the red zone no doubt about it. Anyone heard anything about gyms/swimming being allowed to stay open? I have just got my lockdown warburtons crumpet addiction under control and have been working off the resultant excess lbs at the gym. The weather is too wet and unpredictable to allow for me to exercise outside.

@Catsmother1 : I've no inside information but, my theory on why you can sit with a stranger but not a family member is that we would naturally keep our distance from someone we don't know, but not necessarily with our nearest and dearest.
Childcare provision is currently exempt from the household mix ban, in hotspot areas.
Continuing to make/spend money is also being taken into consideration with these laws and advice.

100 or 50 would vevtbe difference between Red or amber for us.

If they ban support bubbles I'm not going to survive. This lockdown has taken away everything for me. Totally life ruining.

They cant ban support bubbles. That's inhumane. With schools spreading covid around but tough luck if you live alone you're in solitary confinement as society has deemed you worthless

I shall be very unhappy if support bubbles are removed. I'm self employed, work from home and live alone. My support bubble is retired. Neither of us go anywhere that's not essential but I should expect to be totally isolated ?

I’m in an area with one of the highest rates in the country so we’ll definitely be under tier 3, I think the problem in our area is that people can’t see the logic in the rules. They just think if it’s ok to go and sit in an office with a group of people then it’s ok to go for a drink with family/friends at the weekend.

The eat out to help out scheme really didn’t help, it made people complacent about going out and about again!

I can't see a ban on support bubbles, the balance of economy and health is fragile anyway and having huge numbers of people unable to work, and so spend, isn't viable.

I'd like to see actual penalties for businesses not following the rules to dissuade people from pushing it. For example I know of some elderly people meeting friends for coffees/lunches in an area that it's not allowed but the businesses just look the other way. Others still meeting friends for drinks and meals, soft plays, ignoring social distancing and generally doing what they want while claiming the rules are 'too confusing'.
I agree some of the rules are contradictory or hard to get your head around, but on a basic level of 'do not mix households unless you meet this criteria for a support bubble' it's fairly obvious that having 30 people in your home for a party isn't ok.

We're struggling with it all, nursery closed because of a positive (asymptotic) case, no breakfast or after school clubs, no family support and both of us trying to work full time from home with 2 small children just isn't viable long term. I start a new job soon, desperately needed but can't see how I can do it if everything is taken away again. My DD suffered so much the first time around, her personality completely changed and her confidence took a big hit. My DS has pretty much missed his entire first year of life. I can't let them loose anything else for whatever power play this is.