What is reasonable for the government to impose on people in the fight against coronavirus.

[Treesofwood]

Most people seem to agree it is reasonable to

1. Prevent people from seeing people they love.
2. Prevent people from going to school.
3. Prevent people from going to the theatre.
4. Force people to wear cloth over most of their face even if they don't want to in public.
5. Stop people from hugging.
6. Stop people from working.
7. Stop children from playing with their friends in the park.
8. Force people who are well into self isolation for two weeks.
9. Ban people from having sex with people they don't live with.

10. Stop (just) adult children from going back to their family home from university.

I would have never believed someone who told me a year ago that these laws/"guidance" would be in place.

There are some things that it is not seen as reasonable for the government to do, despite the fact it would save lives.

But I would argue that most of the things above would have been laughed off as ridiculous in 2019. After all we don't live in a police state.

Where will it end? How much further down the line will we go. How many more things will we lose? Bodily autonomy? It will definitely head that way if some MPs have their way.

Stop you from going somewhere unless you install a government tracking app

I'm with you, OP. It's depressing.

Agreed OP. Its absolute insanity.

Oh you've forgotten:

• Literally locking up students in their halls.
• Making women face induction of labour, scans, terminations alone.

Agreed OP, the worst part is how many people are just lapping up the drama and clamouring for yet more restrictions.

It is really worrying how few people seem to understand the political concept of the relationship between the State and then individual.

Its so depressing. I'm in the North East and its against the law now to mix households. I think it's cruel and not proportionate that I can't see my parents and my mental health has plummeted the last few weeks after improving loads over the summer. Having said that, my kids mental health has improved massively since being back at school!

It’s awful. I’m worried about what’s to come tbh.

Sorry I keep remembering more.

• stop cancer screening, basic dental care, and cancel surgery.

Absolutely agree. It shows you how totalitarian regimes can take over with so little resistance. It seems that anything can now be justified because of covid even if it has no or a very limited evidence base behind it.

I think there are some things that no government should have the right to do under any circumstances and stopping people seeing family in their own home is definitely one of them. Someone mentioned a case in another country where the courts found restrictions about meeting in private dwellings to be illegal but I haven’t been able to find details. I would really like our courts to go through all the restrictions and look at whether they’re proportionate from a human rights perspective.

I agree that the fact that so many necessary other treatments have been stopped is depressing and sad.

Overall however I think that the measures in place are symptoms of an incompetent government that hasn’t at any stage had a handle on things. With very good testing and tracing as well as initial closing of borders we would be in a completely different place.

They are dim, lazy, and only able to give important contracts to their equally incompetent mates - eg Dido Harding.

So we are in this mess.

Moved on from BMI punishments, have you 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

@secretllama

Sorry I keep remembering more.

• stop cancer screening, basic dental care, and cancel surgery.

This may have happened in some places. Friend of mine had excellent cancer treatment through lockdown. Surgery was also co tinting. You have a point about dentists, but that is very high risk work with a respiratory infection.

Agreed.

Yet for some it's not enough, they want 2m hula hoops round everyone in a shop.

Enough is enough ... cities are refusing to lock down now people rebelling .....cancer,suicides being missed

@cocklepops Obviously that would be ridiculous. But no more ridiculous than I would have thought at least a quarter of the list above were a year ago. Laughable, crazy, never going to happen.

Face coverings being forced on me in public, not seeing people I love in my own house. Fines for leaving my house when I'm not even ill seems just as ridiculous as the government fining me for not losing weight. The reason for these laws are "saving lives" What more will we accept to save lives? Mandatory vitamin D (pill form, or sun, or injection) Evidence pretty strong that it will save lives. Step by step, how far will we go down the road. Masks at home? It would save lives. Online education? It would save lives.

Who would have thought

The goverment would be
Telling you who you can meet.
Where you can meet.
What to wear(masks)
What time you can be in pub till.
Putting people under house arrest.
Having to have a reason to leave your house.
Not being able to sit in a park
How far you can be from someome.

But these happened this year.

When people mention communism oe racism people take piss out of you, people seem to think they started over night , they didn't they told people it was for their own good, it was all about fear.

Fully agree with you all aghast at all the new powers passed. The erosion of our human rights and the madness of people thinking the government is benign. I have a ds just started at uni and am so angry at how badly he is being treated. I'm a lifelong snp supporter but will never vote for that woman again. X

Yawn.

@ehct
"Civil liberties are basic rights and freedoms granted to citizens of a country through national common or statute law.

They include freedom of speech, freedom of movement, freedom from arbitrary arrest, freedom of assembly, freedom of association and freedom of religious worship.

Such rights and freedoms form the basis of a democratic society and are often denied to those living in a dictatorship."
Yawn.

Are you sure we don't live in a police state? Those events were only 70 years ago and the beneficiaries are still extant.

To the people who think yawn ect see below.

"First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me"

@Jrobhatch29

Its so depressing. I'm in the North East and its against the law now to mix households. I think it's cruel and not proportionate that I can't see my parents and my mental health has plummeted the last few weeks after improving loads over the summer. Having said that, my kids mental health has improved massively since being back at school!

I'm in the NW with the same restrictions, I can still see my parents as they provide informal childcare for me as a support bubble , I can see and mix with them in any setting ie mine or their house or inside a hospitality setting. Providing your support/childcare household is consistent and doesn't change theres no restrictions between the 2 of you. Go see your Mum!

Allowing civilians to don the guise of law enforcers aka Covid Marshalls akin to the Maoist Red guards and the Hitler youth.

@PinotLovesMomma we aren't allowed to mix in any setting here.. Though apparently we can now in a beer garden. We can use family for informal childcare but I'm on maternity so I don't need any lol my partner works really long hours and it's so lonely. I can't go the whole winter not seeing my family so something will have to give soon. I had my 3rd baby in may and I hate the thought of her not forming bonds with any family

@Jrobhatch29