It feels like people on MN are willing schools to close

[Marcellemouse]

Lots of threads being really negative about schools reopening. These have been largely started by teachers, the latest one being about a gagging order on the BBC. My 2 and every other DC I know are thriving on schools opening again. DS actually stands a chance of doing well and getting back on track with GCSES. DC are happy and animated again. Their teachers have been fantastic, I'm massively impressed. Friends of mine who are secondary teachers are positive and happy to be back teaching in school instead of home learning. I just get a different vibe in RL than on MN about schools. What's the reality?

There was a pie chart going round, it came from the Daily Mail, it said 44% of respiratory infections was in educational establishments.

Not sure it was just Covid and not sure it was only schools. There were also a lot in care homes.

@Codexdivinchi

That doesn't mean social distancing or PPE

“In particular, workplaces should ensure employees can socially distance from each other, or have implemented robust mitigation measures where distancing is not possible. All workers should continue to wash their hands regularly. Businesses should maintain 2m distancing wherever possible, or 1m with additional mitigations.”

This site is choc full of catasrophisers and the dreaded preppers

I don't think people are willing closures on but many people may be natural pessimists or just mentally preparing themselves for the worst. In the past this would have been the private grumbles to a few friends or colleagues but not everyone who feels that way can post online and it makes it seem morw intense somehow but its an illusion of sorts. The same person may feel more optimistic another day but we don't see that.

@noblegiraffe

That's fine, but we both know that it's not happening. I can categorically tell you it's not happening. So it makes no odds. Unless you're trying to prove that the government just wants to kill all the teachers. Most employers do not give a shiny shit.

I'd still like to know why @CallmeAngelina says that gatherings of 6 are illegal in every sphere.

[quote Fetaliving]@Codexdivinchi[/quote]
A link to the website you got it from?

That's fine, but we both know that it's not happening.

There’s a difference between it being supposed to happen because the government says it should happen to be safe, and the government saying ‘hey, teachers, those guidelines we put in place to keep everyone else safe....they don’t apply to you. Good luck!’

One’s deliberate.

@Codexdivinchi

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My eyes 😫
This would be hilarious (if it weren't so alarming)

Are you this easily alarmed normally callme? Gosh I bet your nerves are bad. Maybe you should have a lie down in a dark room for a while.

When posters start picking at grammar or now maths equations you know they are scrapping the barrel...

PP - oh I wish we had the Italian model they have it so right

Italian teachers - ‘help they are trying to kill us’

PP - but you have it soooooo much better than U.K. teachers - an American said so.

Yes indeed, the Italian model is a lot better, you got that bit right.

@Parkrunmum employers could be in trouble if they aren't making their workplace COVID secure. DH's business have made restrictions to their office, and the majority are still working from home.

Well you could say that and you're perfectly entitled to feel that way. I don't think it's quite as simple as that.

@ineedaholidaynow you keep giving me examples of Covid secure places but I could give you examples of places that are not.

It's like a middle class bubble on here of office workers wfh and teachers.

I can think off the top of my head of friends and family working in minimum wage jobs in factories and such like, they're not Covid secure. You can say Covid secure as many times it doesn't make it true.

@noblegiraffe

That's fine, but we both know that it's not happening.

There’s a difference between it being supposed to happen because the government says it should happen to be safe, and the government saying ‘hey, teachers, those guidelines we put in place to keep everyone else safe....they don’t apply to you. Good luck!’

One’s deliberate.

There is no SD between staff in supermarkets well not in my local Tesco any way. Two of them were chatting away leaning against the cigarette counter whilst I was trying to get served - neither of them had masks on either. That’s isn’t the government’s fault.

Boris on the tv faffing about trying to plain wood in a workshop none had masks on or SD

But the difference, Parkrun is that they are supposed to be.

It’s not deliberate negligence on the part of the government.

A lot of the data, charts about outbreaks in schools, local cases, cases in hospitals, morbidity per region is taken from the Weekly Surveillance Report published by the UK Government, assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/921561/Weekly_COVID19_Surveillance_Report_week_39_FINAL.pdf

Covid secure, bubbles, staying safe.

It's the biggest load of rubbish I've heard for years.

It's code for bag to normal with a bit of hand sanitiser and if you're lucky a bit of cloth over your face, but hardly anyone else will because they're all exempt, the whole family or don't believe in Covid.

@noblegiraffe I hear you, I really do.

But I'm not sure I agree it's not deliberate negligence in other scenarios. They KNOW it's unenforceable and isn't happening in a lot of places.

I could just as easily say it's negligence towards the working class.

Most people won't report they're employer or even isolate, because they're terrified of losing their job.

Oh gosh sorry for all the typos. Very tired.

@noblegiraffe are you vulnerable to covid?

The only option is to take sick leave, and this is subject to various HR reviews and measures
The same as any other workplace then!

But I'm not sure I agree it's not deliberate negligence in other scenarios. They KNOW it's unenforceable and isn't happening in a lot of places

I could just as easily say it's negligence towards the working class

I agree with this. There’s a horrendous quote from Thomas Malthus about the poor and the plague which pops into my head every time I hear BoJo.

I think their negligence runs deep. And it’s so obvious that I’m increasingly intolerant of anyone who “can’t” see it.

They KNOW it's unenforceable and isn't happening in a lot of places.

Oh no doubt. The outbreaks in meat packing factories can’t have gone unnoticed. There should be inspections and fines for non-compliance (maybe rope in some covid marshals )

If the govt aren’t enforcing the guidelines, that’s negligence.

It still feels different to have the govt say the guidelines for making people safe don’t apply to you in the first place.

It still feels different to have the govt say the guidelines for making people safe don’t apply to you in the first place

I guess the outcome on the ground is the same? You’re just being openly shafted at a different point in the food chain..

@Codexdivinchi assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/921561/Weekly_COVID19_Surveillance_Report_week_39_FINAL.pdf

Sure, and it is wrong on both counts.

I'm not sure I've seen anyone argue that meat packers should be working in unsafe conditions though. I think the conditions are mostly ignored rather than anyone being in favour of them. They're obviously breaking guidelines.

If the govt aren’t enforcing the guidelines, that’s negligence.

It still feels different to have the govt say the guidelines for making people safe don’t apply to you in the first place.
I agree.
It's also a really sad state of affairs when the response to one group of workers wanting the government to step up on health and safety is to say 'yeah but another sector has rules and the employers don't follow them so you should pipe down'.

I've noticed this on MN. A poster can ask a question about workplace conditions and inevitably lots of poster pile in about how awfully unreasonable the OP is and tell them they should be grateful for a job, should accept poor conditions because they know someone who has their toilet breaks timed etc. It's like a Tory wet dream seeing how quickly workers are willing to tell each other to shut up and be grateful they have employment instead of agreeing that all workers should have decent conditions.