Why are we okay with students being locked up in their dorms?

[JKRowlingIsMyQueen]

I just heard about the students in Manchester who are not allowed to leave their dorms.

Why on earth is this allowed to happen? So the rest of us who are not students are allowed to get pissed in a pub, get on a plane and travel abroad and back etc., but if you are a student you are not allowed to LEAVE your dorms?

What science are these kind of rules following? The science of Boris needing more ammo to blame young people for spreading the virus?

I'm losing hope.

I feel awful for them. My kids are out the other end and graduated so I have no skin in this game. But I think it must be nigh on impossible NOT to get infected in some cramped halls of residence. I don't think you'd need to be out partying hard to get infected.

@Gladysthesphinx

Because the people driving this hate young people. Look at the coverage: the vitriol poured on young people for just doing what young people do. The pictures of groups out and about. The salacious envious hatred directed at students.

These kids are going to be suffering the financial effects of lockdown for decades. Unemployment, savage cuts in health & social care & in education. Economic collapse. They will judge us very harshly & I don’t blame them at all.

It’s like World War One. Sacrificing the young. Elderly generals merrily sacrificing young lives, & criticising the young for not being up for it. That’s not remembered as being our finest hour, is it?

I’m over 50 & I feel ashamed of my generation.

I'm a similar age to you and feel exactly the same. It's not the young being selfish it's people our age and older. We've had our lives and opportunities and whilst we obviously want to continue living and having new experiences it cannot be at their expense.

@Gladysthesphinx @MrsGradyOldLady it’s so so nice to hear people acknowledge and understand this. My parents are very lucky (free university, good jobs, benefitted hugely from house price increases, have huge house and garden now retired on pensions 3 x my annual salary). Keep talking about being ‘all in it together’ and how we just need to get on with it. Meanwhile we are struggling small house two small kids petrified of school/nursery closing and how we will cope, DH job unstable but higher earner so who takes the time off? Every night I get in bed and worry for hours about how things are going to be now and for the next 10 years. I know for a fact my parents have none of these worries yet they barely acknowledge how hard things are thinking we are all in a similar situation.

PicsInRed
EXTREMELY well expressed. Far too few people in Britain seem able to think for themselves. You are one of them

@Napqueen1234

My own mother is in her late 70s and has so many health conditions it's a miracle she's still with us frankly. And even she feels the same way. She didn't initially - she kept phoning me moaning about truck drivers not wearing masks in the petrol station and her neighbours transgressions to the point both me and my sister said she should put herself forward for the role of covid police as it would clearly give her a new lease of life!

But even SHE now is at the point she'd rather just take her chances. I did point out the ridiculousness of wiping down her 3 bottles of wine to remove the covid germs before necking them in a single session though! Her mates were all the same though. All 70 plus terrified of covid yet quite happy to smoke cigars, stuff themselves to the point of obesity and drink all their weekly/monthly alcohol units in one sitting over dinner together.

maybe rather than stereotyping every fresher as a latter day Typhoid Mary a bit of focus on the young people

Rosie, India, Charlotte, Hannah and a young lad Jamie (?) interviewed on the BBC news channel yesterday. Sensible, balanced, pragmatic young people, held slightly differing views to each other but clearly very supportive of each other. So if they are any of your DCs they are a huge credit to you no need for anyone to out themselves mind

Today Seth in Manchester; and Tissie in Edinburgh - both thoughtful, and eloquent. Had to really feel for Seth positive test and self-isolating since 20th September, more of his flat testing positive, so the14 days re-starts. Latest one confirmed this morning, so his 14 day count resets yet again.

I would not wish what they having to go through on anyone, but hopefully they will all come out stronger and more resilient, and with some lasting friendships forged.

As long it doesn't require any outside intervention from security to open them, no fire exit door should be blocked ever.

It’s part of the automated building management system. The doors auto lock and auto unlock. Fire exit doors will unlock when the fire alarm goes off.

What if fire exits are obstructed/ blocked with cable ties, wire and cones?

That’s a different issue. Any fire officer would report an organisation for doing that. If this has been done, I can guarantee it isn’t at the behest of university management.

The tories do and always will let our children down. Why don't people ever see this? The freshers in particular have been screwed by this government's incompetence. First the A level fiasco and now this. I seriously hope that they are providing the students food, medical and social assistance.

I'm not ok with it.

They should go home.

@cantkeepawayforever

Was everyone happy early in the pandemic for cruise ships to be quarantined? Flights full of people quarantined? Does everyone believe that what e.g. Australia does in terms of quarantine is wrong? Or is it ONLY wrong when these infection control procedures are applied to students?

Indeed.....

Some of the parents of students posting on here are extremely over the top and need to get a grip.

It's concerning how many of you don't understand that it's possible for nobody in a particular situation to be acting legally. There's no rule saying that because individuals have broken/might break quarantine or fail to isolate, that means anything done to try and stop them is legal and acceptable.

"Rishi Sunak brought up this issue that we need to learn to live without fear. At the moment, the public are being deliberately told that they should be afraid.

I'm with Sunak. You should walk in fast moving traffic. Put your fingers in the bacon slicer and climb electricity pylons. Stand up for the freedom to be stupid! All you will lose is your fear (and possibly a limb)

@LastTrainEast

"Rishi Sunak brought up this issue that we need to learn to live without fear. At the moment, the public are being deliberately told that they should be afraid.

I'm with Sunak. You should walk in fast moving traffic. Put your fingers in the bacon slicer and climb electricity pylons. Stand up for the freedom to be stupid! All you will lose is your fear (and possibly a limb)

That ridiculous graph used last week was deliberate scaremongering with no basis in truth or science. How are they allowed to do that? Where is the parliamentary controls on what 2 men , one of whom has a track record of being so far off the mark with his predictions its farcical that he was even considered for the position he is in in the first place, can spout to the public while hinting that it will happen ?? The leaked gov missive emphasizes they hadn't frightened the public enough to do thier bidding. What kind if government uses fear as a control measure ?

Indeed willow

So many people seem so very willing to surrender to totalitarianism. Not only surrender to it - actively support it. At least they get to feel important though for the first time in their lives 🙌

I can't remember which poster posted a long response to one of my posts and asked obliquely what drugs I'm on.

Thank you for asking, it's called Adalimumab and it is most unpleasant.

Been working my way through the thread so apologies if covered but this popped up today. Obviously a one off but it is going to spread through Halls and into the wider local community if this behaviour is replicated.
Not saying some Universities haven't been excessive but not much learning will happen if it spreads and students get ill.
www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/watch-200-flout-lockdown-rules-19018072

I was feeling concerned by this until someone reminded me that its just for 10days/ 14 days... whatever the self isolation period is...

@Northernsoulgirl45 so because some students in one university out of many did this, it justifies that rubbish way they've been treated? Sure.

Presumably the people who are happy with this would be OK to have their own house doors barred from the outside if they have a period of isolation

@StealthPolarBear

Presumably the people who are happy with this would be OK to have their own house doors barred from the outside if they have a period of isolation

That's a poor example. They are free to leave at anytime.

Really? Were the key card stories an exaggeration?
In self isolation are you still allowed outside to exercise? I think that used to be the case

That's a poor example. They are free to leave at anytime.

You seem to know a lot about the situation. Have they all always been free to do so, since this all started? Ie it's not just a development over the past couple of days since the police disassociated themselves from the whole fiasco?

No I'm not happy with it and I can't believe how many people lack empathy for 17/18 year old young people living away from home for the first time.

better to let them out into the community so they can go home, and
have more parties ?, got a better plan? personally i am sick of young people breaking the rules, and even more sick of the old ones doing the same, parents letting kids have big gatherings in the garden etc,
its socially irresponsible f f s
stands firmly at the door of brought up with no morals or feeling for
others ,lets start teaching our kids to care it starts here !!!!!!

@StealthPolarBear

Really? Were the key card stories an exaggeration? In self isolation are you still allowed outside to exercise? I think that used to be the case

The key cards stopped you getting in, not out.