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Why are we okay with students being locked up in their dorms?

651 replies

JKRowlingIsMyQueen · 28/09/2020 19:05

I just heard about the students in Manchester who are not allowed to leave their dorms.

Why on earth is this allowed to happen? So the rest of us who are not students are allowed to get pissed in a pub, get on a plane and travel abroad and back etc., but if you are a student you are not allowed to LEAVE your dorms?

What science are these kind of rules following? The science of Boris needing more ammo to blame young people for spreading the virus?

I'm losing hope.

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SheepandCow · 29/09/2020 18:54

Australia and New Zealand are examples of countries where people are living mostly normal lives because they took action to contain Covid.

Meanwhile 8-9 months on from the start we have a fucked economy, many needless deaths, and lots of people too ill to work for months. Because 'scaremongering'.

All this unnecessary suffering because acknowledging the risks - and consequently taking action to prevent the scary scenario happening is 'scaremongering'.

So instead we've not got on top of it - and the situation just keeps getting worse. But it's ok because we're pretending everything's ok. Well, apart from comparing two weeks in a student hall of residence to genocide and dictatorships. Ok then.

Willow2017 · 29/09/2020 18:55

@BlokeTarget

They can dry their eyes.

The have heat, water, Amazon delivery, internet, Netflix , prime video, en suite bathrooms. Delivery of pretty much anything to their dorms including food.

Suck it up buttercups. Stop going on the lash in massive groups , and flouting the law and you won’t be quarantined you cretins.

It’s only for the standard isolation period. Everyone else has to suffer , they just get on with it : students? Whinge and whine and play the hard done by card.

Get over it.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/28/inhumane-lockdown-rules-scottish-students-breach-human-rights/

During lockdown did you have security guards outside your door? Police?
When did you last go without food for 5 days?
When were you last threatened with your future being ruined?
When were you last Falsely Imprisoned?
When did you last do your entire weeks washing in a sink with nowhere to dry it?

Read up.on what gas gone on in a so called democratic country.
Who decided they could treat students like that? Who's authority?

Nobody needs to "suck up" anything illegally done to them.

Christ the absolute hatred for anyone not themselves on here is overflowing. This isn't going away, there is no miracle cure. This is very far down on the list of diseases that are out there threatening us, the responses by all governments in UK have been random, unsupportable and unviable. They cant even understand thier own guidelines as they change them so often.

The damage that has been done to innocents in all areas of life in the name of the great god Covid is immeasurable and is a stain on UK forever.

HeresMe · 29/09/2020 18:56

Sheepandcow no it's because you are obsessed with long covid

MintyMabel · 29/09/2020 18:57

but that wasn't what happened. All doors and gates were locked and security guards refused to let students leave. That is illegal.

That remains to be tested in law, I have no view on that.

But what it definitely isn’t, is “unsafe in the event of a fire” as some want to suggest with their handwringing about fire exits being “locked”

MintyMabel · 29/09/2020 18:59

From outside yes not from inside that's just contravening fire laws

Nope from inside too. These doors will open in the event of an emergency, but can be locked at all other times.

slowdriver · 29/09/2020 19:01

@JamieLeeCurtains

I'll have whatever your taking:

Or more generously I think we agree that none of this is fair but your reasons are barking.

"These 18 year olds were lured to these expensive halls under false preferences and locked up for the ££££ the universities need."

Ummm No, they applied go to university, and were, provided with the documentation that outlined the accommodation options and the costs which they agreed to and signed for. It's a tenancy agreement, and therefore lawful, not unlawful. Does the university get paid as a result as the landlord of the property? Yes they do. But that's normal in a tenancy agreement. And, sadly, it's how universities get a sizeable chunk of their income these days. It's not normal in Europe and neither did it used to be in the UK that you have to pay to go to University. Unless anyone forgets, it was effectively free especially if you were poor. My parents were, and I got a grant for accommodation, and living expenses, and the tuition was free.
This was all funded from general taxation.

"A lot of these rooms are tiny and claustrophobic".
Correct. Many are, but many of them also come with an en-suite bathroom, which was not what we got when I was at Uni. I'm not sure that unless you suffer from claustrophobia the size is too much of an issue. Many students were not planning to spend much time there anyway. Although that's obviously not how it turned out for reasons , apparently out of anyone's control.

"They have had their liberty taken away unlawfully."
No they haven't. If they have been advised that they have been in contact with someone who has COVID either symptomatically or not, then they are obliged, (not by the university), but by the laws enacted under emergency legislation, by the government, to self isolate. The University is providing them means to do that, but I doubt that it is locking them in. The more serious point is that the government is making these regulations under emergency powers and therefore there is no parliamentary scrutiny and no debate. That is a scandal and a risk to our democracy.

"Students are posting pictures of locked fire gates."
If so then the University would be in breach of Health and Safety regulations and could be prosecuted for doing so. The student who took the photo or one of his or her friends should raise with the accommodation manager and get the lock removed.

"They are prisoners"
Not unless they are physically prevented for leaving the building which I would doubt. If you have evidence otherwise let's hear it.

"being out at risk." I don't know what this means

"No-one normal should be ok with this."
Agreed. The government have made a complete pig's ear of this ( which is very unfair to pigs). They knew back in June they had a window of opportunity to plan for the schools and uni's to go back and they did nothing. They are damaging the education system, not effectively controlling COVID, and damaging the economy. If they had taken the opportunity they had in the summer then this would be unnecessary and the economic damage less. They didn't. In any normal business the current Cabinet would all be fired.

SheepandCow · 29/09/2020 19:05

Not obsessed at all. Just pointing it out to counter the false narrative some are clinging to that Covid is only a danger to The Vulnerable aka The Others.

I wonder if this thread and the arguing will go on longer than the two weeks indoors a halls of residence? Quite possibly.

It's actually very unfair to make such a big song and dance over this. It implies students are selfish, spoilt and lacking in common sense and foresight.

But they're not one homogeneous group. I bet the ones moaning are a vocal minority giving the rest a bad name. I bet most students are perfectly understanding of the extraordinary circumstances.

Willow2017 · 29/09/2020 19:15

That remains to be tested in law, I have no view on that.

Well the police have admitted it, Unis have admitted it.
Lawyers have pointed out which human rights they have violated, which uk.rights have bern violated.
What more do you need?

Would you really be happy with some one locking you up without any lawful reason then just patiently wait for someone to prove it was unlawful? I bloody doubt it.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 29/09/2020 19:20

Yes she did compare it to concentration camps. She says 'because it started with Auschwitz

Yes

In answer to the previous poster who brought up concentration camps first

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 29/09/2020 19:23

Well, apart from comparing two weeks in a student hall of residence to genocide and dictatorships. Ok then

What you seemed to have missed is that the person who brought up concentration camps in the first place actually agrees with YOU

JustDoingMe · 29/09/2020 19:32

@whiteroseredrose

We're not ok with it!
Exactly this!
SheepandCow · 29/09/2020 19:35

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer

Well, apart from comparing two weeks in a student hall of residence to genocide and dictatorships. Ok then

What you seemed to have missed is that the person who brought up concentration camps in the first place actually agrees with YOU

Regardless of who first brought it up, she feels it's a reasonable comparison.

I multi task and do real life stuff at the same time as coming on here. I've now reread the thread - and the poster who originally brought it up was saying that the situation was NOT comparable.

I think repeatedly talking about this subject might distress some people. It's best we leave it there.

Very simply it's not ok by any stretch of the imagination to suggest there's a comparison. Luckily that poster appears to be a lone wolf.

Celestine70 · 29/09/2020 19:36

It's disgusting. Who has decided this? I would be raging.

TopBitchoftheWitches · 29/09/2020 19:39

What part of pandemic don't you understand op?

And yes my son is in his first year at university before you ask.

The mentality of some on here is ridiculous.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 29/09/2020 19:39

Yes I definitely think we should leave it

Its a shame you didnt read the thread properly in the first place

But yes, we’ll leave it

FelicisNox · 29/09/2020 19:40

I think all students should go home.

The university's are as bad, they're ruling by fear..

MintyMabel · 29/09/2020 19:42

it's how universities get a sizeable chunk of their income these days.

Again, it isn’t sizeable by any stretch of the imagination.

What more do you need?

For it to be tested in law. The police aren’t the arbiters of what is lawful or not. They can only apprehend people suspected of doing unlawful things. Nor are lawyers, they will simply have an opinion.

Only a court can decide whether or not it is unlawful.

Stuckinadream · 29/09/2020 20:07

@MintyMabel

From outside yes not from inside that's just contravening fire laws

Nope from inside too. These doors will open in the event of an emergency, but can be locked at all other times.

What if fire exits are obstructed/ blocked with cable ties, wire and cones?
nannykatherine · 29/09/2020 20:10

It was obvious they would all get infected and have to
Isolate
Didn’t anyone think ????

HeresMe · 29/09/2020 20:13

Nope from inside too. These doors will open in the event of an emergency, but can be locked at all other times.

As long it doesn't require any outside intervention from security to open them, no fire exit door should be blocked ever.

Napqueen1234 · 29/09/2020 20:15

Anyone sat at home with food in the fridge and no security guard physically locking any exit from your home and not paying thousands of pounds for this privilege can completely and absolutely f**k off with their opinions. It’s disgusting the way these students are being treated. Anyone who think otherwise is officially ‘selfish’. Because anyone who does anything these days is labelled selfish.

XingMing · 29/09/2020 20:18

DS is a first year student, and tested positive 8 days ago, so is isolating until Friday. At which point he plans to help out by batch cooking and delivering proper food meals, made from scratch, cooked in his flatlet's kitchen. Because he was a chef in a five star hotel, before deciding on his degree course, and to him it's a bit like the staff food service. It's a way of using up the odd leftovers cleverly with cheap staples, which In a hotel means that some days your lunchtime salad is studded with expensive shellfish trimmings. Concerned mums should hope that their student child has someone similar to my DS to consider their nutritional requirements. Trust me, he knows very accurately what a sensible plate of food looks like. And he cooks really well.

OpenlyGayExOlympicFencer · 29/09/2020 20:19

Stop going on the lash in massive groups , and flouting the law and you won’t be quarantined you cretins.

Probably best you don't talk about flouting the law, bearing in mind the legal basis for this confinement is at best dubious.

cantkeepawayforever · 29/09/2020 20:19

Napqueen,

But i am sure that you agree that any student who has been a close contact of a Covid case should be self-isolating, because that is the law?

I presume your objection is only the wider community, those who can prove that they are NOT close contacts of any cases?

Bbq1 · 29/09/2020 20:21

It's not right but didn't these students bring it on themselves? Bright 18 year olds didn't realise that if they partied, drank and whatever else while mixing freely in large groups of strangers that they were more likely to contract the virus?