I genuinely don’t get it?!

[Rapphue]

Hopeful for balanced and sincere posts here rather than the assumption that I’m ‘playing ignorance’ or some other accusation because my question undermines the government narrative.

FWIW I’m educated and well read, albeit I don’t have huge in depth knowledge politics, nor do I claim to!

But I don’t understand why we are having restrictions imposed for a virus that is no worse than other illnesses. Even if I accept that it is harmless to the NHS should it escalate fast and make many ill at the same time (so far no hospitals have been maxed out with corona - my SIL works as a hospital doctor in intense care and has said there hasn’t been even 50% corona patients in any ward at one time. She works in a busy London hospital)...even if I accept it could escalate and we don’t want that, then:

1. Why is there suddenly a lack of concern about public health in general? People are dying because they are having treatment postponed due to Coronavirus. Hospitals are not busy and certainly not full of corona patients. It seems crazy to me that anyone who may fall ill non corona related is now at the back of the queue. Tough shit if that ends in your death.

1. Pubs open until 10pm. I use this as one example of many arbitrary rules. Why does the virus suddenly operate after 10pm? Is it a vampire? Surely you can infect just as many people at 9:59pm as you can at 10pm. Is it just to reduce risk overall? If so then I think someone needs to read a gcse science textbook... the risk has already been taken if the pub is open full stop.

1. Cashless society...erm. Why?

I’m not trying to incite some sort of dramatic post. I hope there are honest reasons for operating as we have the last few months. I hope I am wrong to feel cynical. I hope - and suspect - I’m not knowledgeable enough to understand why this is happening how it is.

As far as I can tell this is very much about controlling people’s lives to their detriment. If it was about health why on Earth are we letting people get sick and delaying treatment because of a virus?

Is there something in the London protests yesterday? Am I missing something medical, political or scientific here?

@Ecosse

Clearly asking NHS staff to move around at shot notice is unprecedented, but we are in unprecedented times.

We cannot have a situation where parts of the economy are closed down on account of lack of NHS staff to work in Manchester Nightingale when you have nurses twiddling their thumbs in Wick and Plymouth.

Many jobs, including my DS’s, already have provisions in contracts stating that they can be temporarily relocated according to business need.

Of course staff being relocated should have all necessary support on place to do so- hotel accommodation, meals and childcare etc.

Oh do give over.

NHS staff generally have contracts which stipulate their base.

They are protected by law and they have rights at work, just like you do.

They have families, childcare and commitments at home.

They also do jobs where they are and they work within Trusts, who hold their contract of employment.

It is possible to shift staff from one Trust to another and this sort of thing did happen in April but I suspect you have no idea how complicated this is to sort out, even if people are moving a very small distance to another nearby hospital.

In private sector employment contracts usually junior workers cannot be moved more than a certain distance away but more senior people can sometimes even be forced to move countries and certainly cities. I am not sure what NHS contracts say. Sadly the country is in such financial difficulties now that for lots of private sector workers if you do not agree a chance of some kind you will join the almost 3m unemployed so people are agreeing to all sorts just to keep a job, including 20% less pay for the same hours!

[quote Ecosse]@3rdNamechange

IMO NHS staff should be able to be moved where they’re needed around the country. It makes no sense having nurses sitting idle in Plymouth who could be staffing a Nightingale hospital in Birmingham.

NHS staff should all be put on emergency contracts allowing them to be transferred elsewhere with 48 hours’ notice.[/quote]
ODFOD

Of course staff being relocated should have all necessary support on place to do so- hotel accommodation, meals and childcare etc

Oh good, we’re back to “we should take nurses’ children into care so they can devote themselves fully to the NHS”. It’s only been three months since somebody last made that argument on here.

It's so easy to get confused about the difference between NHS clinical staff and indentured servants.

@OpenlyGayExOlympicFencer

It's so easy to get confused about the difference between NHS clinical staff and indentured servants.

@OpenlyGayExOlympicFencer

It's so easy to get confused about the difference between NHS clinical staff and indentured servants.

You know, a lot of these skills can be taught fairly quickly. I’m sure it’s no harder than crewing a galleon, or whatever pressganged sailors did. Why not just abduct people off the street like we used to do when we needed more people for the navy?

Might also have the advantage of discouraging groups of drunk people on the streets after 10pm

Proper joined up thinking that. We need minds like yours in government!

Watch the film 'Contagion'.... it's a very realistic expectation/ prediction of what COULD or WOULD happen if the virus isn't controlled.

Please also remember that in third world countries (and USA) there are MASS graves for victims of this virus. Just because we do not see the daily deaths/mass graves/ food shortages and poverty in our daily lives doesn't mean it's not happening else where....

Watch the film 'Contagion'.... it's a very realistic expectation/ prediction of what COULD or WOULD happen if the virus isn't controlled.

Hardly! It was a completely different virus with completely different symptoms and a 30% death rate, which killed people of all ages.

@ChristmasCarcass

Of course staff being relocated should have all necessary support on place to do so- hotel accommodation, meals and childcare etc

Oh good, we’re back to “we should take nurses’ children into care so they can devote themselves fully to the NHS”. It’s only been three months since somebody last made that argument on here.

Ecosse has been spinning this idea on Covid threads for a few weeks now. Never with any support. You gotta love a trier 😉