I genuinely don’t get it?!

[Rapphue]

Hopeful for balanced and sincere posts here rather than the assumption that I’m ‘playing ignorance’ or some other accusation because my question undermines the government narrative.

FWIW I’m educated and well read, albeit I don’t have huge in depth knowledge politics, nor do I claim to!

But I don’t understand why we are having restrictions imposed for a virus that is no worse than other illnesses. Even if I accept that it is harmless to the NHS should it escalate fast and make many ill at the same time (so far no hospitals have been maxed out with corona - my SIL works as a hospital doctor in intense care and has said there hasn’t been even 50% corona patients in any ward at one time. She works in a busy London hospital)...even if I accept it could escalate and we don’t want that, then:

1. Why is there suddenly a lack of concern about public health in general? People are dying because they are having treatment postponed due to Coronavirus. Hospitals are not busy and certainly not full of corona patients. It seems crazy to me that anyone who may fall ill non corona related is now at the back of the queue. Tough shit if that ends in your death.

1. Pubs open until 10pm. I use this as one example of many arbitrary rules. Why does the virus suddenly operate after 10pm? Is it a vampire? Surely you can infect just as many people at 9:59pm as you can at 10pm. Is it just to reduce risk overall? If so then I think someone needs to read a gcse science textbook... the risk has already been taken if the pub is open full stop.

1. Cashless society...erm. Why?

I’m not trying to incite some sort of dramatic post. I hope there are honest reasons for operating as we have the last few months. I hope I am wrong to feel cynical. I hope - and suspect - I’m not knowledgeable enough to understand why this is happening how it is.

As far as I can tell this is very much about controlling people’s lives to their detriment. If it was about health why on Earth are we letting people get sick and delaying treatment because of a virus?

Is there something in the London protests yesterday? Am I missing something medical, political or scientific here?

@LuluBellaBlue

It’s to ensure mass population is as compliant as possible, making life so hard for us we all have to get injections. They want mandatory vaccines - that are not safe or fully tested.

If they wanted mandatory vaccines might it not have been easier to just mandate the many, many vaccines we already have?

You understand what the virus does to a persons respiratory system don't you
That cash is full of germs.. germs with live spores sitting on them
That restrictions are World wide not only your government have to try and work out how to limit the spread the cost and the rest of the worlds problems
I don't get why people have to blame a government for everything
Have you seen a person on a respiratory machine

Has anybody blamed a government for Covid? No. I blame the idots for their arrogance though. Very arrogant, wanted to be like Churchill? You couldn't make it up.

Randomer I don't disagree .

I worry about the cronyism and lack of thinking. But I think people thinking they'll be "forced" into getting a vaccine anytime soon are barking up the wrong tree.

Unless they are Chinese citizens!

@Ecosse I agree re Covid patients. However the hospitals (mine anyway) are not empty of other patients. Not sure where the staff are going to come from to staff the Nightingale Hospitals ? We have a 30% vacancy rate in our general hospital.

@3rdNamechange

IMO NHS staff should be able to be moved where they’re needed around the country. It makes no sense having nurses sitting idle in Plymouth who could be staffing a Nightingale hospital in Birmingham.

NHS staff should all be put on emergency contracts allowing them to be transferred elsewhere with 48 hours’ notice.

[quote Ecosse]@3rdNamechange

IMO NHS staff should be able to be moved where they’re needed around the country. It makes no sense having nurses sitting idle in Plymouth who could be staffing a Nightingale hospital in Birmingham.

NHS staff should all be put on emergency contracts allowing them to be transferred elsewhere with 48 hours’ notice.[/quote]
Not this again.

Making NHS staff mobile will not help staffing shortage

Someone had better tell the rest of the world including India / Mexico Belgium ( one of the highest rates of death) that this is no worse than any other illness .

Because I hate to tell you but it’s not just our government that has bought in restrictions and testing etc.

@LuluBellaBlue

And why would that be ?

Give me one good reason why any government , and don’t forget starmer is supporting the government, would want to purposely ruin an economy for the sake of vaccinating us all ?

I think you also should all watch Yes Minister if you think one man is responsible for all the decisions 🤣🤣🤣🤣

NHS staff should all be put on emergency contracts allowing them to be transferred elsewhere with 48 hours’ notice.

Yeah, who cares if they've got kids or anything to look after at home.

@ChristmasCarcass

Well said . I have a friend who was traumatised by having to move onto a covid ward .

People also believe and judge personalities by the media , which is dangerous because if anyone wants to bring this country down it is the press and certain news stations . And the public are believing it all .

Good posts @Unsure33

@randomer

Has anybody blamed a government for Covid? No. I blame the idots for their arrogance though. Very arrogant, wanted to be like Churchill? You couldn't make it up.

The government absolutely is to blame. For failing to contain the spread.

Not closing the borders (with proper quarantine for essential travel) at the start of the year was a shockingly negligent and brainless shortsighted decision.

@Ecosse not sure that would work. NHS staff do have lives out of work and where would they stay ? Also some staff need extra training to look after Covid pts.

[quote Ecosse]@3rdNamechange

IMO NHS staff should be able to be moved where they’re needed around the country. It makes no sense having nurses sitting idle in Plymouth who could be staffing a Nightingale hospital in Birmingham.

NHS staff should all be put on emergency contracts allowing them to be transferred elsewhere with 48 hours’ notice.[/quote]
Do you think that all nurses are young girls doing it till they find a husband, so in the meantime they can up sticks and go where they're needed?

Because I have about 70 years to catch you up on

[quote Ecosse]@3rdNamechange

IMO NHS staff should be able to be moved where they’re needed around the country. It makes no sense having nurses sitting idle in Plymouth who could be staffing a Nightingale hospital in Birmingham.

NHS staff should all be put on emergency contracts allowing them to be transferred elsewhere with 48 hours’ notice.[/quote]
Wtf? They do actually have lives and families outside of work. They go above and beyond as it is!

@Unsure33

Absolutely the media drive the narrative so much. Over dramatise opinions making things so divisive and rational debate difficult and lacking nuance.

[quote Ecosse]@3rdNamechange

IMO NHS staff should be able to be moved where they’re needed around the country. It makes no sense having nurses sitting idle in Plymouth who could be staffing a Nightingale hospital in Birmingham.

NHS staff should all be put on emergency contracts allowing them to be transferred elsewhere with 48 hours’ notice.[/quote]
As good a way as any to get huge numbers of them to leave.

[quote Ecosse]@3rdNamechange

IMO NHS staff should be able to be moved where they’re needed around the country. It makes no sense having nurses sitting idle in Plymouth who could be staffing a Nightingale hospital in Birmingham.

NHS staff should all be put on emergency contracts allowing them to be transferred elsewhere with 48 hours’ notice.[/quote]
I can see there’s already been plenty of replies to this but even so...

NHS staff are not robots, they have lives outside of work. I’ve already had lots of conversations with NHS staff close to leaving and this would be a sure fire way to seal the deal. It’s to their credit they’ve worked through unprecedented circumstances there’s no need to start punishing them.

Well it's not like there's even the infrastructure for masses of medics to suddenly start moving around the country. There's already a shortage of rentals, you can't sign up for a 6 month tenancy if you're in 48 hours notice and you can't run a service based on the availability of Airbnb.

I'm sure even the mega brain disrupters in Cummings's office can see that...

@damefanny

Exactly and many nhs workers actually moved out of their own homes to protect vunerable members of their own families . There are not easy answers to any of this .

Despite keyboard warriors thinking there are.

Clearly asking NHS staff to move around at shot notice is unprecedented, but we are in unprecedented times.

We cannot have a situation where parts of the economy are closed down on account of lack of NHS staff to work in Manchester Nightingale when you have nurses twiddling their thumbs in Wick and Plymouth.

Many jobs, including my DS’s, already have provisions in contracts stating that they can be temporarily relocated according to business need.

Of course staff being relocated should have all necessary support on place to do so- hotel accommodation, meals and childcare etc.