Do you think people will stick to the new rules?

[Gingerkittykat]

I'm in Scotland where you are now not allowed to visit anyone's house or have anyone in your car and I'm seeing a kickback that I didn't see before.

I'll admit I intend to break some of them. I'm giving my niece a lift tomorrow which is a lot safer than her using public transport and I'm going to my sister's to scan some documents over the weekend. I'll be going nowhere near pubs, high street shops or any other busy places.

The current rules seem inconsistent and don't make much sense.

It's hard to understand what the restrictions are really.
Very confusing.
I don't trust the people making the rules, I can have tutors over, who are part of huge school bubbles, I myself am in large bubbles and I work along side people who also connect me to other bubbles. Then dc are also connected in massive bubbles.

It doesn't make sense to me.
I get masks, I think masks are a good idea mostly. But schools are just crazy!

MPs Danny Kruger and Sammy Wilson were on public transport without masks.................no comeback.

Bloke in his 70s with dementia however.................

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-54283453

Asda mask row: Man with dementia 'told to leave shop'
By Greig Watson

A woman has said she was shocked at being told to leave an Asda supermarket because her partner, who has dementia, was not wearing a mask.
Amanda Jeffrey said she was immediately challenged when the couple went into her local branch.
Staff refused to accept a "hidden disability" card carried by the couple and ordered them out of the shop.
Asda has apologised to the couple and promised they will not be challenged again.

Asda recently announced it would enforce rules on face coverings more strictly.
Mrs Jeffrey said she went into her local branch in Arnold, Nottinghamshire, on Thursday morning with her partner, Aubrey Green.
She said: "I've been getting treatment for cancer and Aubrey was diagnosed with dementia last year, so I've been sheltering.
"But we have been out a few times and not had a problem before.
"But as soon as we went through the doors a member of staff shouted over: 'Why aren't you wearing a mask?

"I was so surprised I thought they were talking to someone else.
"Once I realised it was us I said we had a hidden disability card but they said that wasn't accepted and I needed a letter from the GP.
"And all this was shouted over us, not discussed with a bit of basic courtesy".
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The couple left but Mrs Jeffrey said their treatment had a disturbing effect.
"I was shocked but Aubrey was left confused and agitated.
"He couldn't understand what we had done wrong and was really upset."
In a statement Asda said its staff "are fully trained to follow the latest government guidance".
"[They] will politely ask all customers to wear a face covering, unless they have a reason not to," a spokesman said.
"Clearly we got it wrong on this occasion and we have spoken to Ms Jeffrey to apologise for her experience.

All in this together folks. All in this together.

Problem is if we don't abide by the rules I doubt they'll say oh fucked, just mingle amongst yourselves. They'll just keep adding and adding to the restrictions making the tighter and stricter.

Shit isn't it.

The PM did not say that. He wants to avoid a national lockdown. He wants to avoid closing schools.

I never said he did. I said it was part of a plan and that he will order a mini lockdown if people do not follow the rules.

I'm in a local lockdown area and nobody seems to be following the rules here.

The problem is if they make the lockdown stricter and shut places it will lead to more people gathering in houses not less. The only reason I’m abiding by the no indoor socialising rules is because my parents are in their 70s and vulnerable. If this was 10 years ago I doubt I’d take a blind bit of notice. The government just aren’t going to be able to enforce this rule if it’s breached in large numbers, which it will be. People can’t be bothered any more after 6 months of nonsense, mixed messages, and Dominic Cummings and the CMO doing what the fuck they like.

@MadameBlobby

The problem is if they make the lockdown stricter and shut places it will lead to more people gathering in houses not less. The only reason I’m abiding by the no indoor socialising rules is because my parents are in their 70s and vulnerable. If this was 10 years ago I doubt I’d take a blind bit of notice. The government just aren’t going to be able to enforce this rule if it’s breached in large numbers, which it will be. People can’t be bothered any more after 6 months of nonsense, mixed messages, and Dominic Cummings and the CMO doing what the fuck they like.

But you can socialise with your parents indoors - as long as it's in a restaurant or pub! And that's the part that gets most people worked up. Like I said in my previous post.... if I go to dinner with my mum I'll be sat at arms length from her, so if I do have the virus there's more chance of her getting it. If I go to her house, I'm distanced from her so less likely to pass it on.

If there was a full lockdown like before I'd be more inclined to stick to it but right now "don't go see your mum in her house but take her to a restaurant for dinner" just doesn't make sense!

I get though that they’re trying to balance the economy v spread of infection and they have to draw a line somewhere, but people just aren’t going to bother.

At 87 that is a massive chunk of the rest of her life. She's starting to wobble mentally as she is just so lonely.
Where does she live?

@StarCat2020

At 87 that is a massive chunk of the rest of her life. She's starting to wobble mentally as she is just so lonely. Where does she live?

Northern Ireland.

I'm not arguing that the rules are wrong or they're unfair or whatever. Just that my elderly mum is lonely and I feel sorry for her because she's got limited time. I'm in my 40s and feel confident that this is all going to be history some day. But the elderly, and those with limited lifespan, might not see normality return. Which must be hard to face.

@caughtalightsneeze I'd said on another thread that this is all so much harder for those at the start or end of life where time appears so much more important.
In my case I will continue to see my DPs provided they are comfortable with it. I don't think in Scotland we can form a bubble, but I can argue that I am supplying vital provisions and care.

Probably not because they don’t make any sense especially in Scotland. I’m booked to go to a cottage up scotland to visit my sister, I’m coming from a low case area to an area that had locked down for a bit but is back out now.

I’m basically being told I’m safer to meet her in a pub or restaurant where I’m more likely to come in to contact with it than I am inside my sisters private house. She isn’t in and out of people’s houses as all our family is down here and most of her friends are further away and I very rarely go visiting anyway.

We are still going to our cottage as it hasn’t been cancelled and we will work it out from there whether it’s outside or at a pub 🙄