Do you think people will stick to the new rules?

[Gingerkittykat]

I'm in Scotland where you are now not allowed to visit anyone's house or have anyone in your car and I'm seeing a kickback that I didn't see before.

I'll admit I intend to break some of them. I'm giving my niece a lift tomorrow which is a lot safer than her using public transport and I'm going to my sister's to scan some documents over the weekend. I'll be going nowhere near pubs, high street shops or any other busy places.

The current rules seem inconsistent and don't make much sense.

@Itsabeautifuldayheyhey

If people don't follow the rules, he'll lockdown for 2 weeks. The PM did not say that. He wants to avoid a national lockdown. He wants to avoid closing schools.

With an exception for Cummings when he breaks the rules.
All the people breaking the rules now didn't do it because they considered one man broke the rules. They break the rules because they are rebellious, thick, twats, conspiracy theorists or whatever.

No man has that much power over a population of 67 million people that he can do one thing and everyone else will follow, unless maybe he is the second coming of the Messiah (if you believe in such things).

He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy.

@caughtalightsneeze

Well the not leaving her house isn't due to government guidelines but the point is that if she was able to leave her house without assistance, she could have company, because she could go to a coffee shop or we could take her out for dinner. But we can't bring her to our house for dinner and a change of scene because that's not allowed.

I was more referring to the fact she hadn't left the house since March.

When the hospitals are turning people away and people are laying in corridors dying will you not perhaps regret breaking the rules, just a tiny bit? Because you could infect your niece, or your sister, who could sneeze and touch a counter in a shop, which could be touched by several customers, and you would therefore be at least somewhat responsible for the rise in cases.

I was more referring to the fact she hadn't left the house since March.

But for the most part that was due to government guidelines. For months she wasn't allowed to. Granted in the past couple of months things had eased, but now we're back to the situation where she isn't allowed to, because she's not really strong enough to go to public places, just to other people's houses, but that's not allowed.

I have no idea to be honest. I'm in N Ireland and the rules are so inconsistent that it's hard to remember what's allowed and what isn't.

Here's something that may help:
www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/coronavirus-covid-19-regulations

Some people will, some people won't. I don't think Government coercion will affect those who aren't bothered, while those who are law abiding will continue to keep the rules whether there are strict penalties or not.

But for the most part that was due to government guidelines

Your guidelines must be different to ours. My Nanna is 89 and has been a going out the whole time. Doing her own shopping. There was no guildline saying that people couldn't leave the house at all.

I'll be using common sense and respecting my own and other people's health. I don't want to be bullied though

And the vulnerable don't want to die. But they need you to follow the rules, not use your 'common sense'.

I think it will be like speeding laws.
Most drivers bend them a bit (unless there’s a camera ).
So I won’t be throwing a rave, but I will be visiting some family and I will be bringing my DC home from university whenever I feel like it.

He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy. had to be done Red

Your guidelines must be different to ours. My Nanna is 89 and has been a going out the whole time. Doing her own shopping. There was no guildline saying that people couldn't leave the house at all.

I think we are talking about difference things. My mum physically can't leave the house without help. She can't go to the shops or whatever because she isn't physically able to. She is capable of going to someone else's house, with assistance. But she hasn't been able to do that because for the most part it hasn't been allowed.

If she was physically able to cope with public places she could have had much more freedom and interaction over the past few months.

I think we are talking about difference things. My mum physically can't leave the house without help. She can't go to the shops or whatever because she isn't physically able to.

Quite. You said she hadn't left the house since March and my response was that it wasn't due to the guidelines, which is true. It's her mobility that is the issue.

There are allowances that mean you can go to her though.

Why wouldn't you visit your elderly mum? You are still allowed to fulfill caring responsibilities. Please go and see her! Just social distance and wear masks/wash your hands on arrival.

OP I live in an area where we cannot mix households at all. I visit people at home as part of my job and every home I visited this week had extra people there (I am a midwife, these people were visiting the new baby). People are definitely not sticking to the rules here. I am not judging them, just stating facts.

We have stuck to them so far, but I cannot promise I will continue to do so for months.

@Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd

No. Making it illegal to consort with your own family, your own child in some cases, is fucking ridiculous.

Yeh I’m feeling a bit that way tbh.

I will continue following the spirit but not the letter, as I have for a while. I’m pregnant and asthmatic so certainly not being an idiot, I don’t want to be ill with anything right now if I can help it, but both DH and I are working from home and avoiding shops/public transport, have been to a restaurant maybe twice. But I will continue seeing a certain bubble of family in a group slightly bigger than 6, at least for the meantime.

I'm not sure compliance is going to happen with Boris still at the helm, actually. He's fucked it. The trust has gone. Problem is coming up with anyone who could improve this mess!
The PM hasn't hasn't decided on these measures by himself. The cabinet listen to the scientific evidence, argue it all out and then reach a concensus.
Sir Keir Starmer stated in the HOC in the day the latest measures for England were announced, that he fully supports them as and that he did with the measures adopted previously and the local lockdown measures.

So, yes, the people who aren't going to comply are probably not going to comply irrespective of whoever (and whichever party) was at the helm.

I’ll follow them for now, but if they think I’m not seeing my elderly parents on what is likely my DFs last Christmas, or my new grandson on his first Christmas they can get to fuck. And anyone coming on to tell me I’m selfish can join them.

@Itsabeautifuldayheyhey

I'm not sure compliance is going to happen with Boris still at the helm, actually. He's fucked it. The trust has gone. Problem is coming up with anyone who could improve this mess! The PM hasn't hasn't decided on these measures by himself. The cabinet listen to the scientific evidence, argue it all out and then reach a concensus. Sir Keir Starmer stated in the HOC in the day the latest measures for England were announced, that he fully supports them as and that he did with the measures adopted previously and the local lockdown measures.

So, yes, the people who aren't going to comply are probably not going to comply irrespective of whoever (and whichever party) was at the helm.

And yet compliance and approval ratings were both higher pre Cummings.

No, I don't think people will stick to the rules, because people are idiots sometimes. As a consequence of people not following the rules, we will all be locked down again and then those same people will whinge and moan about their MH while hundreds are dying daily.

I'm fine with the rules and will stick to them, because although personally I wouldn't care about another lockdown (social anxiety) my loved ones and friends absolutely would care.

Those that choose not to now, will go down in history as the idiots who made a bad situation into a crisis.

Sir Keir Starmer stated in the HOC in the day the latest measures for England were announced, that he fully supports them as and that he did with the measures adopted previously and the local lockdown measures.

It wouldn't be wise for him to stand at the dispatch box and openly disagree on that subject, regardless of what he really thinks.

Quite. You said she hadn't left the house since March and my response was that it wasn't due to the guidelines, which is true. It's her mobility that is the issue.

Yes, but it's the combination of her mobility issues and the rules that have left her unable to leave the house for most of that time.

And yes, we can go to her to help with medical needs if necessary but I suppose some would argue that we shouldn't even be doing that since she is capable of washing herself and feeding herself without us. And it doesn't really help her feel any less down about not having seen anything outside her own four walls for months.

And yes, we can go to her to help with medical needs if necessary but I suppose some would argue that we shouldn't even be doing that since she is capable of washing herself and feeding herself without us

Who would argue? You are allowed to bubble with another household.

@mintyfreshh

When the hospitals are turning people away and people are laying in corridors dying will you not perhaps regret breaking the rules, just a tiny bit? Because you could infect your niece, or your sister, who could sneeze and touch a counter in a shop, which could be touched by several customers, and you would therefore be at least somewhat responsible for the rise in cases.

But, reading the OPs posts, her niece is going to the same place she’s going anyway. So surely it is better for the niece to sit in OPs car (maybe with an open window) than on a bus that could have loads of people on it? The buses in my town don’t have windows that open, so a well ventilated car with two other people seems much better than a stuffy bus with 20 other people.

Have you always been so selfish

Yes, having a good dose of selfishness is important, otherwise you get trodden all over.

Giving your niece a lift is not a high risk activity. Driving lessons are still going on.

So supposing the niece already has Covid but isn't showing any symptoms - which is better, that she gets a lift with family members and potentially spreads it to other family members, or that she goes on two bus journeys will a load of strangers, and potentially spreads it to two buses worth of people, as well as family members?