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Do you think people will stick to the new rules?

113 replies

Gingerkittykat · 25/09/2020 01:33

I'm in Scotland where you are now not allowed to visit anyone's house or have anyone in your car and I'm seeing a kickback that I didn't see before.

I'll admit I intend to break some of them. I'm giving my niece a lift tomorrow which is a lot safer than her using public transport and I'm going to my sister's to scan some documents over the weekend. I'll be going nowhere near pubs, high street shops or any other busy places.

The current rules seem inconsistent and don't make much sense.

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LemonTT · 25/09/2020 07:17

The rules don’t make sense at first but they are specifically intended to interfere with the time we spend with extended family and friends. Not completely but that’s the intent.

Why is it risky to allow your child to have a play date at school friends house when they are at school all day? Well if the school friend is + then the additional risk is minimal, but still there.

However, what if the friend has an older sibling? Who went to a gathering where someone was +. The older sibling is the potential vector and a clock is running on their incubation and then how much they can expose others before isolation kicks. If the chain of transmission is broken in the friends home then your child is safer if they don’t go in there. If the sibling is now + and shedding, then your child has a direct not third party contact. That’s far more risky.

The periods of incubation to onward transmission may vary. But they provide some scope to brake the chain.

KatherineJaneway · 25/09/2020 07:21

No.

Boris's address and language the day after Whitty's broadcast is part of a calculated plan. If people don't follow the rules, he'll lockdown for 2 weeks.

BedknobsNoBroomsticks · 25/09/2020 07:31

I have been following the lockdown rules since march but now I probably won't. How can Nicola sturgeon think that it is safer to go to pubs, cafes and restaurants surrounded by many other people than just me, my mum and my children in one house.

The line that is spouted is that businesses have guidelines to follow but there is no guarantee that they are.

I feel that I am much safer in my mum's home than I am in a pub, cafe or restaurant.

Jrobhatch29 · 25/09/2020 07:37

I'm in local lockdown. The majority don't care anymore here. We have second highest rates after Bolton and still not enough to make anyone bothered. And it's not just the young!

helpfulperson · 25/09/2020 07:40

The rules are based on where transmission is taking place and that is private gatherings in houses etc. People are less likely to distance in these circumstances.

Peregrina · 25/09/2020 07:42

If people don't follow the rules, he'll lockdown for 2 weeks.

With an exception for Cummings when he breaks the rules.

PollyPelargonium52 · 25/09/2020 07:43

Here where I live people cannot even wear a mask properly. Over their chin only just what is the point! Most oblige but the other day an elderly man was stuffing a hankie over his mouth wandering around the local Tesco Express ...

emptyshelvesagain · 25/09/2020 07:43

@caughtalightsneeze

It's my elderly mum that I feel really sorry for. She coped well with being widowed, she coped well with permanently losing her mobility after falling and breaking her hip. She has gone through life smiling and never complaining. But she hasn't left the house since March and is now looking at possibly another six months of the same. At 87 that is a massive chunk of the rest of her life. She's starting to wobble mentally as she is just so lonely.

This is not due to government guidelines though?

EhUp · 25/09/2020 07:44

No I don't think most people (myself included) will follow the rules religiously this time

I am broadly following current rules in my area but not to the letter. I am taking precautions (lots of sanitising, social distancing etc) but I am unwilling to live like a hermit for the next 6 months.

I am more like to follow the rules which are evidence based and logical, less likely to follow rules which are clearly more political.

rookiemere · 25/09/2020 07:46

I have said this on another thread, but I will be going to visit my octogenarian DPs in their own house, rather than in a cafe or restaurant. They haven't been to either since February and aren't letting anyone other than DH, DS and I in their home.

I followed initial lockdown quite faithfully, apart from eventually going out twice per day rather than once ( and yes this was a thing in Scotland so let's not derail the thread by arguing I am incorrect) but it makes little sense I can see my friend in a cafe or gym but not in her home.

However apart from my parents I will be adhering as much as I can and also stopping going out for meals as much now numbers are going up, as I would hate any of my actions to impact on DS 14 schooling.

It's going to be a long and depressing winter. Thank goodness I enjoyed the relaxations in summer to their full at the time.

OpenlyGayExOlympicFencer · 25/09/2020 07:56

@Jrobhatch29

I'm in local lockdown. The majority don't care anymore here. We have second highest rates after Bolton and still not enough to make anyone bothered. And it's not just the young!
I'm in a local lockdown area too, it started in August, and it hasn't been adhered to in my area either. The biggest thing was the childcare rule, which of course has now been changed, but it caused a lot of resentment and totally undermined the rules themselves while it remained in place.

I'm not sure compliance is going to happen with Boris still at the helm, actually. He's fucked it. The trust has gone. Problem is coming up with anyone who could improve this mess!

Incrediblytired · 25/09/2020 08:00

I’m someone who generally follows the rules but no, I don’t think people will. There are some I’m minded to ignore anyway, like meeting up with a mother family at a park whereby the total number of people will be 7 but one of them is 1 year old.

Qasd · 25/09/2020 08:07

In my area of England yes I am seeing high compliance eg lots of birthday parties where it’s “we are just having three friends because of the rule of six”...but the new rule is significantly less strict of course and while there is talk of the impact on larger families there are easy work around a were mum takes the children to see their grandparents and dad stays behind etc so it relatively easy too comply. I think a complete ban on hours while mixing would be a lot tougher to comply with.

Hmmph · 25/09/2020 08:14

No. I have seen two gatherings of more than 6 just yesterday.

It’s not enforceable unless people are breaking it having “animal hot tub parties”. And if you see your neighbours and the family across the road having a few friends or family round with no consequences, then you’re not going to stick to the rules yourself.

(The police don’t want you to even report anything unless it is a “serious” breach)

OpenlyGayExOlympicFencer · 25/09/2020 08:16

(The police don’t want you to even report anything unless it is a “serious” breach)

Unsurprisingly. I mean, imagine having to piss about going round to check if a family of 5 have got 2 aunties round for tea instead of 1. Not very dignified really.

annabel85 · 25/09/2020 08:17

People, a whole, obey rules and laws that are enforced.

In England all that's really changed is the pubs shut earlier and as that's a rule that must be enforced then people have no choice but to comply, unless a pub wants to lose its license.

OpenlyGayExOlympicFencer · 25/09/2020 08:22

The pubs are a pretty small part of it really. Personally I didn't go, as SD was certainly not happening in our local, but I doubt an earlier closing time will make any difference.

MyView2 · 25/09/2020 08:30

We got a positive test result in our household yesterday. Up until then I didn’t know anyone who had tested positive and whilst we were following the rules I was quite relaxed and felt it was perhaps not as contagious as had been made out or that the precautions we are taking were very effective.

Now I think we must all stick to the rules as it is highly contagious, no idea where we picked it up from. We have been careful, social distancing, wearing masks and not been aware of any cases near us. I just hope by being careful we have not inadvertently passed it on to anyone vulnerable before being symptomatic.

middleager · 25/09/2020 08:40

No. I'm in Birmingham, which is on local lockdown and has the highest increase in cases.

When I go out there is poor mask compliance in parts of the city. It's abput a quarter wearing them.

Many people I know are ignoring the fact we can't mix households.

Some older relatives claim they didn't even know about mixing. When they do they make sn excuse.

My son's in SI due to multiple cases and closures of school bubbles here. My friend thought it was OK to come over and I explained on my doorstep that my son is in SI. She knows he was exposed to a positive case!

BikeTyson · 25/09/2020 08:44

Not even being allowed to meet people outside my household outside is a fucking ridiculous rule and one I have and will break. I could chat to a stranger in the playground. I couldn’t meet a friend to stay the same distance away from each other and chat. I will stick to the rules about meeting indoors but not outdoors.

Itsabeautifuldayheyhey · 25/09/2020 09:13

Do you think people will stick to the new rules?
No. Haven't you answered your own question?:
"I'll admit I intend to break some of them."

Giving your niece a lift tomorrow and going to your sister's to scan documents over the weekend are actually selfish acts in the current circumstances. How do you know that none of you are carrying the virus, asymptomatically, and then inadvertently by ignoring the fucking rules pass it on to someone else who then passes it in to someone else who dies from it? You are only as strong as the weakest link in the chain.

Where are you giving your niece a lift to? If you, your niece and sister are breaking the rules of no mixing of households then it is likely one or more of you will be complacent about other rules too.

The current rules seem inconsistent and don't make much sense.
Testing has shown the scientists that most transmissions take place within households as no social-distancing takes place.
Where measures are in place in restaurants and pubs, transmission isn't taking place. (It is in pubs and outside of them where safety measures aren't being ignored by idiots).
Your home is the most likely place for the virus to be transmitted.

You are part of the problem.

caughtalightsneeze · 25/09/2020 09:19

This is not due to government guidelines though?

Well the not leaving her house isn't due to government guidelines but the point is that if she was able to leave her house without assistance, she could have company, because she could go to a coffee shop or we could take her out for dinner. But we can't bring her to our house for dinner and a change of scene because that's not allowed.

Itsabeautifuldayheyhey · 25/09/2020 09:26

If people don't follow the rules, he'll lockdown for 2 weeks.
The PM did not say that. He wants to avoid a national lockdown. He wants to avoid closing schools.

With an exception for Cummings when he breaks the rules.
All the people breaking the rules now didn't do it because they considered one man broke the rules. They break the rules because they are rebellious, thick, twats, conspiracy theorists or whatever.

No man has that much power over a population of 67 million people that he can do one thing and everyone else will follow, unless maybe he is the second coming of the Messiah (if you believe in such things).

PhilCornwall1 · 25/09/2020 09:29

If people don't follow the rules, he'll lockdown for 2 weeks.

He's more than likely going to do this anyway, regardless of what people do.

Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd · 25/09/2020 09:33

No. Making it illegal to consort with your own family, your own child in some cases, is fucking ridiculous.