Do you think people will stick to the new rules?

[Gingerkittykat]

I'm in Scotland where you are now not allowed to visit anyone's house or have anyone in your car and I'm seeing a kickback that I didn't see before.

I'll admit I intend to break some of them. I'm giving my niece a lift tomorrow which is a lot safer than her using public transport and I'm going to my sister's to scan some documents over the weekend. I'll be going nowhere near pubs, high street shops or any other busy places.

The current rules seem inconsistent and don't make much sense.

Some people will probably comply less, as they become bored or don't understand them; others, especially younger people, will probably comply more by default as they don't want to be out in winter anyway.

Where are you giving your niece a lift to? If you, your niece and sister are breaking the rules of no mixing of households then it is likely one or more of you will be complacent about other rules too

We have been really careful. My DD is doing online classes, I'm WFH. The only times I have been out this week is to go to the chemist, go swimming, to collect my Asda order and take my kitten to the vet (I sat in the car when the kitten was inside). I've seen two friends socially since March which was within the rules. My DD has had a driving lesson and been for walks in the woods alone.

We are going for lunch, not essential, but it is in a restaurant we trust with all social distancing in place.

The massive spike in Scotland seems to be centred in university accommodation.

Yes people are fed up but did they think it had gone away, I certainly didn’t.

Unfortunately, many seem to have thought that the point of lockdown was to make the virus just disapppear..hence the pressure to stay locked down ages after the curve had been flattened a lot. Those people, appear to be the ones who think that the numbers are going up now because of rulebreakers rather than..the way the virus works, and do not seem to be able to understand that even if every rule was 100% followed, numbers would be rising regardless. Was always going to happe when lockdown was relaxed. I mean, spain has a much stricter lockdown than us (and according to people on here, every other country is following the rules, just not the UK ) and their numbers shot straight back up.

Also seem to be the same people shouting for lockdown again. And if the government did agree to a 2 weeks circuit break lockdown (not to get rid of the virus, but to keep levels manageable) the same people would be shouting when it came to the end of the 2 weeks..that some people are still catching it, some are still dying, so its unsafe to come out of lockdown. Like last time..its exactly why a short lockdown would not work IMO< as noone will trust this time that it will actually be short.

I would like to see the crossover between those who seem to want lockdown indefinitely, and those who have secure jobs and/or can WFH. I suspect very high crossover.

The police don’t want you to even report anything unless it is a “serious” breach

Can't blame them. They are understaffed as it is, unable to investogate actual crimes, and are expected to turn up to tlel people off for having 2 grandparents in their house instead f the one they are 'allowed'? Imagine how much their phones are blowing up too, with the amount of people who will be reporting neighbours for tiny infractions. Threatening with the police was never going to work when everyone knows how stretched the police are, they don't have time for this. Yes, if there was big houseparties or something its a different case, but when the neighbour reports next door because they have an extra person in their garden than allowed?! Nah.

Where are you giving your niece a lift to? If you, your niece and sister are breaking the rules of no mixing of households then it is likely one or more of you will be complacent about other rules too.

Whilst technically a rulebreak, driving her niece seems the lesser evil surely, if otherwise said niece would have to go on public transport, and they were both going to the same place anyway?

No, they didn't stick to the old ones.
I won't be neither, as do my own risk assessment. They'll be 8 of us in our bubble, 2 are under 3.

Put simply we will. If we were to break the rules, get caught and be fined we would 100% lose our jobs due to the nature of the work that we do...so it makes my blood boil that people can’t just stick to it....

Probably not. We seem to be really shit at following rules...even the ones that are trying to protect us.

Yes and no for me. As a lone parent I have a bubble with my parents that I will be continuing with. They are having a hard time with all this and I'm not stopping seeing them. We socially distance ourselves but I will keep seeing them. I also intend to see my partner, he lives and works alone so I dont think he's much of a risk and it almost broke us last time.

Friends I'm not so sure about, coffees in town maybe but not houses.

If we go into full lockdown again then, yes, I will follow the rules like I did last time.

@Bupkis

Probably not. We seem to be really shit at following rules...even the ones that are trying to protect us.

You believe Johnson has put this in place to protect us? You really think the government gives a shit about the general public?

@Missfelipe

Put simply we will. If we were to break the rules, get caught and be fined we would 100% lose our jobs due to the nature of the work that we do...so it makes my blood boil that people can’t just stick to it....

Interesting wording in this post. Kind of implies if you wouldn't lose your jobs for breaking rules, you would break them. And thus are annoyed others can break them without the same threat?

Probably not what you meant, but definitely how it comes across.

Batshite...we would still stick to the rules regardless (although I personally don’t agree with them)...appreciate how this reads but it’s just another thing that makes me sad about this whole state of affairs...it’s hard to explain I guess! I suppose even if people don’t like the rules not a lot of good can come from breaking them at the moment and that’s all we see happening around us 😞

Figured as much..massive problem with internet posts rather than speaking. We are sticking to them, even though the nosy neighbour* keeps saying she has reported us as MIL comes to ours twice a week.

No matter how many times we tell her MIL lives alone and barely leaves the house at all bar coming up here, and we are her 'support bubble' she still insists on reporting endlessly, then telling us about the reports!

*Same neighbour gleefully reported a man at the bottom of our street during the first lockdown as when his daughter was bringing his shopping she was nipping in for a cuppa with him. He had been declared to have 3 months to live a month before lockdown, and has since died. The majority of people round here are still not speaking to her for being so fucking cold hearted. I wasn't, and still am not but she shouts it across the road when she sees me that shes reported again Never had a police visit, would not be surprised if by now they just have her number down as 'automatic bin'.

I can foresee us breaking the rules at xmas, along with many many others. But so far, following.

I think most people will abide by most of the rules, most of the time. That will probably be enough to slow transmission so that the NHS is not overwhelmed.

I do understand why some people will break rules at times, to preserve some semblance of "normal" for them/their children and because social isolation is difficult when it goes on for months. I don't judge anyone for that, but do feel annoyed when I see groups of older teenagers/twenty somethings out and about in shops and bars ignoring social distancing, with no masks on. For sure these groups are not all medically exempt from wearing masks.

I know that another 6 months of restrictions must feel like forever to some people, but it could be a lot worse if the numbers rise to the point where very sick people can't access medical care and the undertakers/crematoriums can't keep up with dealing with the dead. That is what people in Bolivia are facing, where dead bodies are left on the streets for collection as and when possible. If we can save lives and avoid that nightmare scenario then the restrictions will be worth the effort. Sorry if that all sounds a bit preachy, but honestly we are so lucky in the UK compared to people in poorer countries, but many people don't seem to realise it.

@PhilCornwall1
I think Boris Johnson and this government have fucked up immensely from the very beginning. However rules about self isolating, social distancing, wearing a face mask....I do believe the are there to protect everyone - I just think they have been implemented badly and often at the wrong time

[quote Bupkis]@PhilCornwall1
I think Boris Johnson and this government have fucked up immensely from the very beginning. However rules about self isolating, social distancing, wearing a face mask....I do believe the are there to protect everyone - I just think they have been implemented badly and often at the wrong time[/quote]
For me it's not about protecting the public, the shower in government aren't that bothered.

Johnson trotted out the three magic words again this week, "protect the NHS". If the NHS wasn't on its knees, he wouldn't be doing it.

My friends forming a social bubble with her niece in Scotland who is a single parent and going up to Scotland and staying over - one way round the rules but I don't know if it's right or not she seems to think it is!

What can you do her niece is not coping that well but I bet there's loads of ways to get round the rules if you were desperate.

What annoys me is that chauffeurs don't have to wear masks but taxi drivers do - are chauffeurs immune to covid!

For me it's not about protecting the public, the shower in government aren't that bothered.

Of course they aren't that bothered...Boris is more bothered by getting Brexit done, and then fucking off, than Covid.
But looking at the recommendations of a variety of scientists, experts and other countries actions....there are rules that would help protect us if people actually followed them, and the Govt actually supported people to follow them.

I think in limos there is normally a screen between the driver and the passenger, so that might be why there are different rules.

Or it might just be because the people who use limos are rich.

I followed the guidelines. Was off for 2 months, live with my 70+ year old dad, was (am) incredibly anxious about it all. I have become nervous wreck. Walked the dog, very close to home, saw noone. Went to shop 7 - 10 days, washed everything. Haven't touched my face with my bare hands in months. Wash hands constantly - recently counted how often I do it in work - 23 times one day and I sit at a desk most of the day. I wear my mask, it gives me a sore head so I try not to be out for any length of time or very often.

Currently I go to work and come home. I might pop into local shop. In and out in 2 secs. Occasionally I go to the shopping centre. I keep my distance where I can... some shops it is harder to do but I'll quickly find my way out of it. I go see mum, once a week, twice at a push. I see my work colleagues, and obviously that is socially distanced, my dad and my dog.

Now I'm being told that I can't go to my mums. Because it's not safe. But wait! I can go to a pub or restaurant with her because there are rules in place! I'm sure there are but if I go to dinner with her I'm going to be sat within touching distance of her. If I go to her house we will be an appropriate distance apart. My hands and any belongings I take with me will be sanitised before I go to see her.

I mean, how in the name of good f**k can that be more dangerous than going to sit face-to-face with her in the company of total strangers?!!!

I don't want to go out to eat or drink, I don't want to see friends in a garden. I want to go to my mums house and have a cuppa.

@Gingerkittykat @BiggyUp In the circumstances you each quoted, breaking the rules seems pretty reasonable to me. Guidelines can't possibly be tailored to suit everyone's individual circumstances.

There is a world of difference between giving someone a lift, to avoid them needing to use public transport (which is likely to be a higher risk for them), and throwing a party for 100 people. I might need to give my elderly MIL a lift soon - if so I will sit her in the back seat on the passenger side, and ensure we both wear masks and have the windows slightly open.

I think a lot of people won’t. Short of locking people in their houses a la China the government will just have to deal with it. Certainly round here where we have had local restrictions for weeks before the latest national restrictions plenty of people don’t appear to be giving a fuck.

Nope... Said a hundred times if I wasn't 7 or 8 in my house I will! They're inlaws and parents who don't see others.
I will not take in turns to leave the house so the numbers are less because my baby and toddler count in England. And I will not sit in the garden in the cold when I have a perfectly good warm home to sit in, and I always have windows open.
Yes I could buy a patio heater but we'd rarely use it and I'm not going to waste money when we need that money for other things that are more important

I do not go to pubs and restaurants at the moment. I do not have big parties or attend parties.

I would have been more complaint if the rules wernt so bloody stupid.

Im lucky I don't have neighbours who are nosey or would snitch. My elderly neighbour opposite throughout the entire lockdown had her 2 daughters, son and grandkids visiting daily on their dog walk. Mainly in the garden. (I could see when I was on ladder wallpapering) but also she openly told me.

If we go into a further lockdown. I will see my parents ( separated and my dad is my bubble as a single parent), and inlaws because they have a very close relationship with the dcs.. Take them out weekly we eat there weekly and them here. Kids across the country have had to deal with a lot of shit and find it hard to cope. And I will not let it affect them any more that it did.

Unpopular opinion.. But we all have our own thoughts.

@rookiemere

I have said this on another thread, but I will be going to visit my octogenarian DPs in their own house, rather than in a cafe or restaurant. They haven't been to either since February and aren't letting anyone other than DH, DS and I in their home.

I followed initial lockdown quite faithfully, apart from eventually going out twice per day rather than once ( and yes this was a thing in Scotland so let's not derail the thread by arguing I am incorrect) but it makes little sense I can see my friend in a cafe or gym but not in her home.

However apart from my parents I will be adhering as much as I can and also stopping going out for meals as much now numbers are going up, as I would hate any of my actions to impact on DS 14 schooling.

It's going to be a long and depressing winter. Thank goodness I enjoyed the relaxations in summer to their full at the time.

I thought you could visit households if they were in your 'bubble' and vulnerable? I might be wrong though?