Boris is DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for TENS of THOUSANDS of DEATHS

[herecomesthsun]

I can see the appeal Boris in many ways. He went to the college next to mine, I can imagine he would be good company at dinner, he comes across as being amusing and likeable at times.

He is an appalling Prime Minister.

He locked down too late and we paid with the lives of many.

Schools reopened with inadequate safety and no effective track and trace. This will send the numbers of coronavirus cases very high.

It's great that he does not want to lock the extremely clinically vulnerable into a ghetto. However, the above situation makes society very unsafe for us. We are not able to withdraw our children temporarily from school and educate them safely at home.

Watch the mums in their 20s 30s and 40s get admitted to hospital! Cough, mum, cough!

Is this right?

NO

Just adding a bit of balance to what the Torybots are posting.

You're welcome.

@LemonTT

There is one thread saying that Boris was right and that is specific to the announcement made last night. That’s in a sea of ones having a pop.

I personally am sick of the blaming going on. I really dislike the title of your post. The population of this country aren’t hapless drones buffered by an evil government. We all play a part. We are in an unprecedented situation. We will have false dawns and u turns. Mistakes will be made. But some people just can’t move on.

Testing is an example of achievement and failure. It was an admirable achievement to increase capacity in the way they did. It was failure to not understand demand management and to not have a better process for accessing testing. Growing demand isn’t a sign of growing need and neither are just cured by increasing capacity. They need to manage and smooth demand.

We can't move on without an effective test and trace.

Other countries are doing a lot better than us.

We can learn from them.

(You really sound like Jacob Rees-Mogg you know,with the admirable achievement bit). But this was a necessary prelude to opening everything up, and yes, we have to move on and fast if the country is going to manage over the winter.

I don't myself think we can say, oh well they made a few teething errors,that's sort of okay. We really need to get this right ,and that means funding schools to have testing and funding schools to socially distance, so that the reopening of schools doesn't shoot us further into exponential growth. We don't have a lot of leeway for inefficiency and corruption with this.

So we have covered a lot of issues here no?

Care homes,schools,test and trace?

I don't really want to be rude, but anyway, you sound bat shit crazy OP

Oh I agree. He's awful. A weak PM at the worst possible time.

There are obviously a lot of other unattractive personality traits that apply, but purely from a professional perspective, he's weak.

No he isn't. The virus is.

If you said Trump (what with his recommendations of bleach injecting) then I'd agree with you.

zzzzz

One man is not responsible OP

What about all the people not quaranting, not wearing masks, not social distancing.

What about care homes paying minimum wage to staff, meaning some staff work in several care homes to get by?

What about those having multiple family and friends round when they shouldn't.

What about those going to crowded raves, demonstrations etc.

A significant proportion of society have been brought up to be selfish, rule breakers without a thought of the consequences to others.

So many people still speed in cars, use mobiles when driving, chuck litter wherever thy want, let doors slam in other people's faces and think rules are for others not them.

So, one man is not responsible. A growing element of an uncaring, thoughtless, vacuous part of society is. Unless you think he should have taken the above into account and imposed martial law with a night time curfew in place?

You didnt really need to elaborate after your title. We know he has

@hamstersarse I agree. Bat shit with a broken Caps Lock the worst kind

@Iwantacookie

You didnt really need to elaborate after your title. We know he has

sorry

@Gettinggrumpier

One man is not responsible OP

What about all the people not quaranting, not wearing masks, not social distancing.

What about care homes paying minimum wage to staff, meaning some staff work in several care homes to get by?

What about those having multiple family and friends round when they shouldn't.

What about those going to crowded raves, demonstrations etc.

A significant proportion of society have been brought up to be selfish, rule breakers without a thought of the consequences to others.

So many people still speed in cars, use mobiles when driving, chuck litter wherever thy want, let doors slam in other people's faces and think rules are for others not them.

So, one man is not responsible. A growing element of an uncaring, thoughtless, vacuous part of society is. Unless you think he should have taken the above into account and imposed martial law with a night time curfew in place?

The attitude and example of the Government are important in influencing the attitude of the general public.

If you have an inspirational, eloquently persuasive leader, people are more likely to follow their exhortations (Boris loves Churchill doesn't he).

The current Government has a paucity of inspirational figures and the ideas that they do have aren't well thought out and don't fit well together.

So we all have responsibility for our individual actions- but the Government and BJ in particular has responsibility for the direction in which it takes us.

As far as I have personal responsibility I would want to

• call for a fast, responsive and efficient testing system
• call for open interviews for key posts like head of Test and Trace
• and also open interviews for head of the NHS if that is on the table, though if Sir Simon Stevens is staying then fine
• call for greater safety measures in state schools, and for funding for this.

If Boris isnt implementing these things, (which I think are plain common sense) then he should take responsibility, and take responsibility for the consequences for the country.

And if you think for example that the appointment of head of Test and Trace should be a hole in the corner affair, given to the wife of a colleague, without an open interview, and that it should be allowed to lurch along putting schools and families at risk

• if you think that is a (excuse me) DESIRABLE state of affairs, then do of course explain why.

Fantastic stealth boast though. Congrats!

I do my humble best.

Not a fan of Boris but I blame Covid virus, same as I not a great fan of cancer or other medical conditions that cause death.

Really if we want the government to protect everyone from dying we should ban alcohol and cigarettes? Definitely ban dangerous sports...

The government yes needs to do more but we also need to take responsibility for our own actions & choices.

Three things:
Allowing untested and in some cases tested positive patients to back into the care homes.
This alone killed 30,000 people.

An ineffective test, track and trace, this has allowed the virus to spread around the country.

Opening up too soon, esp Eat out to help out.

Public trust in the Govt has gone now and ultimately, as PM, the buck stops with him,
So Johnson stop comparing us with France and Spain and lets look at what Germany and Holland are and have done?

If anyone is to blame it’s ‘china’

*china said like ch hi na....(trump style )

So, if we have some of the worst death rates in the world-

is that because covid doesn't like British people?

do you think it is random?

or could the policy choices, example set and rhetoric of the government have something to do with it at all?

(because I assure you if it were my choice
-I would have chosen an experienced scientist or heathcare specialist to be in charge of testing and

• I would have made it a very high priority, in terms of national initiatives

-just look at Germany and Italy, they have got a much more effective testing system)

Please stop calling him Boris, as though he was some kind of cuddly bear. Prime Minister Johnson is a Tory, all else flows from that, including thre current disgraceful and criminal shambles.

so those tens of thousands of deaths in the first wave were in the very elderly in care homes, NHS staff getting a huge viral load from inadequate/no PPE in hospitals, bus drivers in similar positions etc, much fewer mothers died from catching Covid-19 from their kids at home in the first wave

And yet, all the children had been at school, and on the bus, and on the trains, with no social distancing, or masks, much higher infection rate than now. So why are they more at risk now?

No he isn't.

He's acted on the advice of scientists & medics, and taken an informed view on advice. He's criticised for the cost of furlough and for not extending furlough. He locked down too late but now people have got tired and resentful of restrictions so maybe he locked down too soon.

The nightingale hospitals were a waste of money but now it looks like they will be needed.

Damned if he does. Damned if he doesn't.
And hindsight is a wonderful thing.

@Baaaahhhhh - I don't understand why you are quoting me and arguing - we agree, I think

@Baaaahhhhh

The schools were partially shut during lockdown, so there was little spread.

The point of closing schools and of lockdown itself was exactly to limit wider spread in the community.

@Mintjulia

There was a lot of discussion of the impact of reopening schools on increasing case numbers alarmingly , by SAGE, by independent SAGE and also on this very board. This is not hindsight, this was accurate predication that looks likely to be fulfilled.

One of the very many articles discussing this here - there are loads,it would be really easy to find some more.