Boris is DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for TENS of THOUSANDS of DEATHS

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I can see the appeal Boris in many ways. He went to the college next to mine, I can imagine he would be good company at dinner, he comes across as being amusing and likeable at times.

He is an appalling Prime Minister.

He locked down too late and we paid with the lives of many.

Schools reopened with inadequate safety and no effective track and trace. This will send the numbers of coronavirus cases very high.

It's great that he does not want to lock the extremely clinically vulnerable into a ghetto. However, the above situation makes society very unsafe for us. We are not able to withdraw our children temporarily from school and educate them safely at home.

Watch the mums in their 20s 30s and 40s get admitted to hospital! Cough, mum, cough!

Is this right?

NO

Just adding a bit of balance to what the Torybots are posting.

You're welcome.

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I can see the appeal Boris in many ways. He went to the college next to mine

The government are damned whatever they do.

‘This will send the cases of coronavirus very high’

As you want to come across as the font of all knowledge then tell us how high is high??

Psst - if you put it in capitals it doesn't make it immune from scrutiny or true.

Hey OP, putting stuff in capitals doesn't make anything more correct or important.

You're welcome to scrutinize. So "Boris is right" - about what exactly?

Test and trace? That should be the cornerstone of how this is managed. We have no clue what is happening to the figures without accurate detection of cases.

The scientists suggested 50k in a few weeks,and that we could be looking at 80k- 120k deaths overall, other studies have modelled 250k deaths.The government's efforts are doing very little to avert this.

How about putting more blame on the ignorance of the British public?

Mask refusing, partying,rioting,beach filling idiots!

I agree op. They've had months to sort out test and trace. Everyone knew cases would rise in Sept due to the change in season and schools reopening.

Johnson and the tories have failed us.

The capitals are because we unaccountably have had "Boris is right" - I thought we should have an alternative discussion. Over here!

Do people really think it is right to be careering towards tens of thousands more deaths(given the scientists' predictions)?

I can see Boris is clubbable and all that but he actually isn't managing this well. We need to be able to get test results back quickly in the way that Germany and Italy are doing. It's important!

And if women our age are starting to be hospitalised - don't we care? As a group of mums? Can we demand better?

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Group of mums?

Re being damned whatever they do

• it's a difficult situation

• but they have filled key positions with incompetent people like Dido Harding

• they have given contracts to their mates (I'll find one suggestion of the figures in a minute)

• they had well,more than one job,but a KEY job, excuse the capitals, was test and trace

• they have fucked it up (as you will know if you needed a test)

• forthe ECV our lives are on the line

• and for all of us,there is a huge potential for chaos,illness and disruption of work and education which could have been averted if test and trace were being managed well

Boris is really really not doing a good job with this.

I preferred @ClimbDad

I think 'indirectly' is more accurate than 'directly', strictly speaking, and we can only talk about deaths that have already happened, so those tens of thousands of deaths in the first wave were in the very elderly in care homes, NHS staff getting a huge viral load from inadequate/no PPE in hospitals, bus drivers in similar positions etc, much fewer mothers died from catching Covid-19 from their kids at home in the first wave.

Btw I do support you in your right to home-educate your DC during a pandemic.

So there are many parental figures on mumsnet, some of whom identify as female. Many of us have kids at school. There is a lot of stuff about school on here,because it concerns us.

It would be very difficult for me to go on a protest in London to complain about test and trace and the state of schools and the treatment of the vulnerable,because, well,I am pretty vulnerable.

But if there are threads saying how great Boris is, well there needs to be the opposite view given equal prominence.

At least equal, given that the majority view is probably counter to this.

And the facts are that under his leadership, we have had some of the highest deaths in the world. And many of these deaths would have been avoidable if we had locked down earlier..

I will mention that to ClimbDad next time I notice him on a thread

you should be able to teach your child at home temporarily but the rest is all a bit meh. damned if they do, damned if they dont springs to mind

Yes, deaths certainly resulted from his failures on PPE and care homes. Too early to say whether ongoing failures on schools and testing/track and trace will also cause/contribute to deaths. Indefensible either way.

Oh grow up.

I preferred @ClimbDad

He was too grim for me.

@NonstopNC

I think 'indirectly' is more accurate than 'directly', strictly speaking, and we can only talk about deaths that have already happened, so those tens of thousands of deaths in the first wave were in the very elderly in care homes, NHS staff getting a huge viral load from inadequate/no PPE in hospitals, bus drivers in similar positions etc, much fewer mothers died from catching Covid-19 from their kids at home in the first wave.

Aha

Yes I agree that it was the elderly and care workers etc who died in March & April.

I suppose you could say that the direct cause of death was the virus, but without the government's decisions, the virus would not have killed those people.

All those COBRA meetings from which Boris was absent, allowing mass events to continue in March, the poor leadership,the support of Cummings. The cronyism and corruption.The fake companies profiting (and not delviering PPE to care staff.) It has all led us to where we are now.

There is a sense in which the PM is (?IS) directly responsible, though. That is where the buck surely stops for all of this.

L'enfer (great name) you are right about testing/ track and trace being the next scandal and am concerned the media seem to have either dropped the issue or are ignoring it.

Oh bore off ....