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Boris is DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for TENS of THOUSANDS of DEATHS

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herecomesthsun · 23/09/2020 12:06

I can see the appeal Boris in many ways. He went to the college next to mine, I can imagine he would be good company at dinner, he comes across as being amusing and likeable at times.

He is an appalling Prime Minister.

He locked down too late and we paid with the lives of many.

Schools reopened with inadequate safety and no effective track and trace. This will send the numbers of coronavirus cases very high.

It's great that he does not want to lock the extremely clinically vulnerable into a ghetto. However, the above situation makes society very unsafe for us. We are not able to withdraw our children temporarily from school and educate them safely at home.

Watch the mums in their 20s 30s and 40s get admitted to hospital! Cough, mum, cough!

Is this right?

NO

Just adding a bit of balance to what the Torybots are posting.

You're welcome.

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Hellomoonstar · 23/09/2020 12:40

Op, you are right. He had time and money to sort this mess out. I swear it would be cheaper to allow parents who want/ able to teach their children at home stay at home and let the rest go to school. Whilst saving their place in class. At least for this academic year. Say you won’t give them resources if they choose this. A lot of parents that I know would pick this option.

I don’t know why kids in primary school have to enter year group by year group. Just do it by number instead. 100 people in and 100 people out. Open the classroom doors and kids enter their own classroom and read a book until the bell goes. Let people come in 30 min in advance. That was similar to rainy day rules, in my children school. Now there is a very long queue and people are packed like sardines near the school gate. One neighbour is complaining that his shopping couldn’t be delivered (that particular man loves complaining).

loobyloo1234 · 23/09/2020 12:41

You are right about their failure to sort out Track and Trace. The countries that are getting back to 'normal' have much better and efficient track and trace methods. Its has been a catastrophic failure by the Government

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herecomesthsun · 23/09/2020 12:43

Ok so people who are bored or asleep really don't have to take part in the discussion.

But do people really not care that track and trace was handed over to someone who very little experience of managing healthcare, that it is an utter shambles,that a huge amount of money appears to have been wasted on it?

Do people not mind having to wait a week or 2weeks to get a test?

Really?

That is alright and Boris is doing just fine?

Because track and trace should be the keystone of schools working safely and people being able to get back to work with confidence.

It is different in Italy and Germany and we could learn from that.(But we'd first have to say that what the Government is doing is not "right")

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NonstopNC · 23/09/2020 12:43

@herecomesthsun I agree, at some point the government need to be held properly accountable for all the things you mention.
I was just reminded on LBC this morning of how shortly before he caught CV in March (2 months after the virus became widely known about), Boris saying how daft the stopping hand-shaking was and he was going to carry on hand-shaking. That attitude pretty much directed policymaking in the first wave. We need to compare to other countries that had the same virus as us in the first wave (some people seem to think we are in a unique position here in the UK) and see that the death rate could feasibly have been kept in the hundreds at the very most.

WheresMyAlex · 23/09/2020 12:47

The government (because Boris is not making any decisions on his own) are in a lose/lose situation. Have they made mistakes? In hindsight, absolutely. Have they done some things well? Yes.
I honestly don’t think there is any right way to handle an unprecedented pandemic. Every country is trying their best.

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herecomesthsun · 23/09/2020 12:50

I think the whole business of discharging to carehomes is fraught in all sorts of ways. The hospitals sort of have to do it to free up beds. Otherwise they can't admit people. And if there is a push on beds they really have to discharge people out.

I was really concerned back in March because although (I was working in a related field) there was testing of people in that situation,we also knew that false negatives were possible. But we had to do the best we could with the information and the tests that we had.

I think the idea of having covid negative and covid positive care homes is a really good one, and some local authorities are doing that.

And also it is possible to have separate areas for covid positive and negative patients and not have cross infection.But it's not ideal.

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Bemyhat · 23/09/2020 12:51

I think the Caps lock is broken on your keyboard Smile

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herecomesthsun · 23/09/2020 12:55

@WheresMyAlex

So I agree, you know that no one's entirely bad, no one's entirely good, most people are loved by their mum.

It was a difficult situation and it would be very hard to come out of it with no deaths at all.

They have still done extravagantly badly in terms of death toll across the world,

Track and trace is a disgrace.

And they have put an inexperienced crony in charge of it.

And they now want to reward this person by making them head of the NHS, allegedly.

We need an outcry.

I apologise in advance.

We NEED an OUTCRY because this is a DISGRACE.

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Littleposh · 23/09/2020 12:58

Some people would just have us locked up permanently. What is it about your lives that is so lacking that you would rather be locked up and force everyone else to be as empty as you??

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herecomesthsun · 23/09/2020 13:04

If we had locked down earlier,it is likely that we would have had a shorter lockdown.

Also,if test and trace were to work well, the need for a possible second lockdown would reduce.

So I think we are really on the same side Grin @littleposh

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Ellsbells12 · 23/09/2020 13:08

Zzzzz

Ellsbells12 · 23/09/2020 13:09

@Jrobhatch29

I preferred *@ClimbDad*
This 😂😂😂
Crocciesnap · 23/09/2020 13:10

I read that the average age of death from Covid is higher than the average life expectancy...how long do you suggest we barricade ourselves in for?

Toilenstripes · 23/09/2020 13:13

You sure you went to Oxford?

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herecomesthsun · 23/09/2020 13:13

I had last time I looked

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hamstersarse · 23/09/2020 13:13

Yes, you are right and being totally logical.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he manufactured the virus himself and poured it into care homes

notroundthebend · 23/09/2020 13:14

Oh fuck off.. 🙄 poor man can't do anything

OneForMeToo · 23/09/2020 13:14

Yeah because everything is just one persons fault....

Because he doesn’t have to get approval from others at all....

Because we the public have completely stuck to All the rules...

Because China where open and honest when they very first got case...

Nah it’s all down to Boris bet he was responsible for all the fires too 🙄

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herecomesthsun · 23/09/2020 13:15

@Crocciesnap

I read that the average age of death from Covid is higher than the average life expectancy...how long do you suggest we barricade ourselves in for?
I would suggest we sort out trace and trace instead
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LemonTT · 23/09/2020 13:15

There is one thread saying that Boris was right and that is specific to the announcement made last night. That’s in a sea of ones having a pop.

I personally am sick of the blaming going on. I really dislike the title of your post. The population of this country aren’t hapless drones buffered by an evil government. We all play a part. We are in an unprecedented situation. We will have false dawns and u turns. Mistakes will be made. But some people just can’t move on.

Testing is an example of achievement and failure. It was an admirable achievement to increase capacity in the way they did. It was failure to not understand demand management and to not have a better process for accessing testing. Growing demand isn’t a sign of growing need and neither are just cured by increasing capacity. They need to manage and smooth demand.

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herecomesthsun · 23/09/2020 13:16

@notroundthebend

Oh fuck off.. 🙄 poor man can't do anything
I completely agree Grin
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hamstersarse · 23/09/2020 13:16

I think he was also to blame for my cat getting run over in April.

He really should have shut the roads.

Waspnest · 23/09/2020 13:17

I thought we should have an alternative discussion.

Are you having a laugh? Every other sodding thread in this topic involves blaming either BJ or the government for ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING. (Overuse of capitals is quite annoying isn't it.)

hamstersarse · 23/09/2020 13:19

Personally, I won't be happy until full Hazmat suits are mandated for all. Including new born babies