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So. Predictions for tomorrow? Boris's speech.

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BabyLlamaZen · 21/09/2020 15:25

I'm pretty sure we're going to get told we can't see any other households for 2 weeks and a curfew on pubs.

Although a part of me thinks they'll just say no to seeing any other households and leave it at that with no limit. I'm hoping they'll keep the support bubbles though.

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ineedaholidaynow · 21/09/2020 18:47

Didn't schools open when we reached level 3?

yeOldeTrout · 21/09/2020 18:52

Argh, this is frustrating.

DH is scheduled to drive his elderly mother 200 miles to hols very soon. MIL can't drive, and very far on public transport. DH was going to stay overnight at her (home+hol cottage) at least 3 nights. MIL is going to stay in holiday cottage near where her other son lives, so she can visit with him a few times. BIL lives only with partner. BIL would drive her back home a week later.

Dunno about BIL, but DH & MIL literally see no one else outside their household.

It's going to feel very unfair to elderly MIL if she suddenly can't go on hols (which was rescheduled from April) if we get no-notice ban mixing households. Do you think driving a relative to and from places counts as "support for vulnerable family members" that has always been allowed, even at peak lockdown? Irk. :(

Doesn't seem like S.Korea or Germany have had very strict lockdowns. Seems like good contact & trace, fast testing results, have been their recipes for success.

MistyMinge2 · 21/09/2020 18:53

I think vulnerable people who received letters during the last lockdown will be told to isolate again. The rest of us will be told to wfh where possible, no mixing of households, a curfew on pubs/restaurants and possibly a 2 week lockdown encompassing Oct half term as a go at breaking the transmission.

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BabyLlamaZen · 21/09/2020 18:54

Yup I think shielders will be asked to reshield.

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Bananasinpyjamas20 · 21/09/2020 18:55

Agree. This is what my student DC are already doing. They're not giving their real names and phone numbers for track and trace purposes, either. Why wouldn’t you have a conversation about that with your kids and tell them how important it is to leave their real name and number? I find that really selfish of them, and if it were my kids I’d get them to see why that would be so irresponsible. People are breaking their backs to keep people safe and the contact trace system is vital - it saves lives.

Ihatemyseleffordoingthis · 21/09/2020 18:55

@Aragog
yes, I'd read it wrong re weddings

it was only published late this afternoon so it's a great big "who knows?" on which supercedes what

I think it indicates what their thought (today/this afternoont/this minute) is on the degrees of closures and what happens in what order. I reckon Boris will tell us there will be these circuit breakers. If these kinds of measures don't work.

Bougie · 21/09/2020 18:56

It will be wonderful if Boris can be bothered to turn up this time.

fullofhope100 · 21/09/2020 18:57

@bizmum1

I predict ... more lies
Yes. Have just watched Matt Wankcock on 'This Morning'. I despair.
Bananasinpyjamas20 · 21/09/2020 18:58

Doesn't seem like S.Korea or Germany have had very strict lockdowns. Seems like good contact & trace, fast testing results, have been their recipes for success. It is both. You can’t just have a good test and trace, you do need a fair amount of social distancing, and people changing behaviour and wearing masks.

South Korea immediately shut its schools if numbers rose above a certain point. It shut down its nightclubs as that led to big spreading events. Germany have good local public health teams, which have criteria for when they put in restrictions. But you are right in that a really good test and trace keeps numbers low enough, on the whole, for less lockdowns and those that do are in specific areas.

TSSDNCOP · 21/09/2020 19:00

It will make fuck all difference whatever measures they put in place unless they back it up with massive fines.

I am sick to the fucking teeth of the guidance. I follow it diligently and have done throughout. Will continue to do.

Creating new guidance will make zero difference to the people that have been following it throughout.

Why should my DSIL lose her livelihood when her pub is following the guidance and pubs photographed in the press aren't??

Unless there are serious measures that mean the many individuals and businesses who give zero shits are fined to kingdom come for non-compliance they will never, ever get the message.

daisychain01 · 21/09/2020 19:00

@MoaningMurlock

The pub closing thing is because people are less likely to go out if they know it's over by 10. And most of the youth don't go out till 10 anyway.

Have you met British people? 😂

What will happen is the pubs will open earlier, and people will go earlier.

Then go round their mates houses when the pubs shut at 10 to carry on the party.

... but we're not allowed to state reality because that's blaming the yoooof for spreading the virus. Which is totally daft when that's their actual behaviour.

And walking around Tesco tapping away texting, not looking where they're going. Social distancing, pahhh whazaaat??

yomommasmomma · 21/09/2020 19:02

Are they really going to say no mixing of households again? How long for? I honestly don't know if I can cope with not seeing my family again for months. Why are people just throwing this out there like it's nothing??

If they do this it's basically lockdown again, but with the school run and we can go out for dinner which I don't want to do.

Surely we aren't going to rip families apart again for months?

redlockscelt · 21/09/2020 19:03

I'm sure it will be other households, that's why we had a strictly socially distanced get together in the countryside yesterday so we could see each other before it all started.

Belladonna12 · 21/09/2020 19:06

@yomommasmomma

Are they really going to say no mixing of households again? How long for? I honestly don't know if I can cope with not seeing my family again for months. Why are people just throwing this out there like it's nothing??

If they do this it's basically lockdown again, but with the school run and we can go out for dinner which I don't want to do.

Surely we aren't going to rip families apart again for months?

Considering that they have already said it in a lot of areas then itseems very likely. I doubt it will be for months though. You will still be to meet anywhere with a till.
ineedaholidaynow · 21/09/2020 19:10

With the rates going up, if people aren't careful, some families will be ripped apart permanently

yomommasmomma · 21/09/2020 19:10

We can manage 2 weeks of not seeing family, but no longer than that.

If we are expected to not see grandparents (both very fit and healthy 55 year olds) for longer than that, I will not be obeying the rules.

AndyandTeddy · 21/09/2020 19:17

For the first time this has got to me (and it hasn't even happened yet).
My DS has come home once since lockdown. He is coming down next weekend, with his partner. He last came in June. We've had 2 months of builders working on the house. They will finish this week. I want to see my son we only live 50 miles apart FFS. This weekend is also my DD's birthday get together for her BF and mates. They are sensible 25-somethings. They have booked a table in a pub. There would be 6 people from 3 different households staying over on Saturday night. That may well be illegal. But I am a key worker I work with the public. The day the rule of 6 came in I counted the number of people I had been in close contact with that day = 60. I have no idea what their hygiene understanding and compliance is. Whereas I know my DS will (as he did in June) enter the house, shower and change clothes after the train journey. Then give his mum a hug. He is low risk.

TSSDNCOP · 21/09/2020 19:19

What I would like to see is some actual evidence about what is causing the spike in these lockdown areas.

They know who's got it because they've tested positive so why aren't they asking about what these people have been doing?

Let's get some specifics and address that measure to change behaviours. If the common denominator is the pub or family gathering or public transport or working in a factory it would be far more effective to target prime spreading activities.

GabsAlot · 21/09/2020 19:19

well its not really working in bolton-i dont see how saying u have to leave at 10 intead of 12 will make a difference in numbers

MaudesMum · 21/09/2020 19:24

No mixing of households is particularly shit if your household is one person, especially going into the winter. So, if they're going to bring this in, I really hope they allow social bubbles to continue and/or do something more to support the elderly and vulnerable - many of whom live alone.

CharlieD2020 · 21/09/2020 19:27

This.

viques · 21/09/2020 19:30

@DGRossetti

And as to the boring people who mentioned DC again . He had a vulnerable child , he did not break the rules that were in place at the time except for the Test drive . And unless you are all lemmings that can’t think for yourselves then that argument is just so over now.

"except for the test drive".

Is that like being a little bit pregnant ?

I believe he also had family members living close by in London who were probably more familiar faces to the vunerable child........
notevenat20 · 21/09/2020 19:32

I can't see it being for only 2 weeks. They would have to put us all in single hotel rooms fed by robots for that to work.

user1497207191 · 21/09/2020 19:37

@BabyLlamaZen

Yup I think shielders will be asked to reshield.
And then we're back to having teachers, nurses, doctors, etc off work because they can't go to work due to shielding.

Parents, who can't send their kids to school because a parent is shielding.

And so on.

It's really not a solution as so many "shielders" are actually workers, parents and carers. They're not all sat in care homes waiting to die.

EasterIssland · 21/09/2020 19:37

@yomommasmomma

We can manage 2 weeks of not seeing family, but no longer than that.

If we are expected to not see grandparents (both very fit and healthy 55 year olds) for longer than that, I will not be obeying the rules.

Don’t worry when full lockdown comes because we’ve not obeyed to the rules Then it might be longer than 2 weeks. But ey as long as I’m happy not doing what we’ve been asked to do what does it matter if others lose their job or kids lose in education !