It's just an overreaction.

[madcow88]

Now don't get me wrong I followed the rules to the letter and still am doing as I don't want to break the law.

However I think it's all a massive overreaction and I don't want to sit by and allow my children's generation to be destroyed.

Their education is totally fucked, they will not get to have the same social experiences as we did as young people.

Why is everyone happily sitting by and allowing our government to restrict our lives over a virus that kills 0.01% of people. Whilst 1000s of people are dying every day due to the lack of treatment and social interactions.

I really just do not feel comfortable with all the laws on our freedom being changed so dramatically over a virus if truth be told is not as deadly as they would like us to be believed.

Don't get me wrong I have sympathy for those people who lost their lives and for the people who will lose their lives in the future but no more than for the people who die of flu and other viruses each year.

dementor covid bed wetters

That's me!

The NHS wasn't overwhelmed because lockdown worked and virtually no one came to hospital with anything (partly due to lockdown reducing issues and some through ignoring) - the same would have to happen now

The NHS wasn't overwhelmed because lockdown worked and drove the incidence rate down.

Nightingales have to be staffed from existing NHS workforce. There isn't enough of us to spread across the hospitals. Especially if you add in shielding, vulnerable, schools closing etc.

Hospitals don't have the infrastructure to accommodate covid as well as everything else - it needs its own area / ward / staff etc. Something else has to stop to accommodate the red stream. It's not safe to have other sick people in the same building.

Wish people would stop spouting 'the NHS wasn't overwhelmed' as an excuse to basically do whatever you like now.

@cocopops

Lockdown restrictions didn’t stop cancer treatment, hospitals response to Covid did!

Lockdown did many things, but to make it the bogeyman for cancer treatment is ridiculous.

I totally and utterly agree OP. This whole thing is the most massive shIt show I have ever seen or known. It is time we follow the Sweden way. Sadly, as you have seen, you will be shouted at and insulted by those who love nothing more than a lockdown and fear.

@Derbygerbil
Tell that to young people who have died as their cancer treatments stopped due to the Covid over reaction. Look up KickassKel on Instagram who died aged about 30 leaving her son without a mother due to it. You have no idea what you are talking about.

@janeyloves You should be able to back up your opinions?

and insulted by those who love nothing more than a lockdown and fear.

yawn.

Agree with you to an extent OP but what will you think of one of your loved ones becomes seriously ill and turned away from a hospital due to oversubscription?

If

@HeresMe

They are proposing another two week lockdown it's pointless unless you have a vaccine as when you come out it it goes up again.

I think they will look back on this in some years and wonder what we did.

I think the logic on the fortnight circuit breakers is to keep lowering the cases So they get to 30 deaths a day, 2 weeks lockdown lowers it and then it takes a month to get back to 30 so you do it again so it never gets over 30 for example

Totally agree with OP

Well after reading this thread I'm glad that Chris whitty, Jonathan van tam and yes even Boris is in charge rather than the frothing at the mouth, armchair experts on here.

Careful there @walksen, posters might take offence and call you "rude"

Of course people with delayed cancer treatment due to the lockdown have died. Let’s not pretend lockdown didn’t cause other deaths and we’ve not seen the long term impact of people not being diagnosed in time. The stories are just coming out.
The predictions of cancer deaths due to the lockdown in the coming years are pretty dire. And this is young people.

Those calling for repeated ineffectual lockdowns don’t seem to understand the huge impact they have.

It’s a global pandemic. People are going to die. We can’t prevent every death. And yes it’s awful and it’s sad but we have to get a sense of perspective.

We’re not Sweden and I guess we could not have done what they did but interesting to follow their trajectory now. Playing the long game indeed.

So they get to 30 deaths a day, 2 weeks lockdown lowers it and then it takes a month to get back to 30 so you do it again so it never gets over 30 for example

thank you.

so simple

Let's not pretend lockdown caused the deaths that the virus caused.
No virus, no need to stop or restrict any treatment
Lockdown to minimise how much other treatments were stopped

The selfish pig who went on a pub crawl in Bolton is a murderer. He will be responsible for cancer sufferers not getting treatment as well as Covid deaths.

I agree on the basis that the virus is not going anywhere. There may never be a vaccine and outbreaks could go on for years. It's something we now need to learn to live with and try to put reasonable measures in place for - however, we cannot grind to a halt as a result of it.

Many people contracted COVID whilst in hospital. My DF died a couple of years ago from cancer, but I can't imagine he would have survived if he contracted COVID whilst in hospital receiving treatment for cancer. He had cancer for 8 years so it was not an immediate death sentence for him. I assume it was a hard decision for hospitals/consultants to make whether risking bringing someone into hospital for treatment for cancer etc at the height of the pandemic would actually be better for them.

I do think whilst things have been quieter in hospitals more should have been done for people to catch up on treatments/diagnosis before the winter comes and hospitals get busy again, whether that is with COVID or flu.

Hey @madcow88 I totally agree with everything you have said. The people that are shielding and acting like Covid Marshall's are either those with underlying health issues or financially comfortable. I'm not comfortable with my life being restricted over a virus that I haven't heard anyone have nor am I happy with my business being affected by it- I have worked very hard and sacrificed a lot. I have plenty of acquaintances and live and work central and I am yet to know someone who has had it!

Those that are scared can lock themselves up for the rest of their lives and live with a compromised immune as they aren't exposing themselves to everyday bacteria/viruses that are well needed for our immune system, not to forget a bad mental health also affects the immune system. Go ahead, lock yourselves up but don't act like a firing squad to those that refuse to adhere this because it's all bollocks.

If the mortality rate was only 0.01% that would mean 780000 deaths worldwide without any restrictions. Currently worldwide there have been 953000 (recorded) deaths and still rising by around 6000 a day with restrictions in place in most countries. So no I don't think it's been an overreaction.
What I do think is that lockdowns wouldn't be needed if people were sensible and followed the lesser restrictions in place. But as many people seemed to take lockdown lifting and schools going back as an "all clear" they only have themselves to blame when stricter rules come in.

When you say you agree with everything the OP says, do you include her version of the death rate which is out by at least one order of magnitude and the completely fictional thousands of deaths a day caused by lockdown?
I realise that a lot of people on this thread are taking issue with the OP on an emotional and political level, but am I the only one who had problems with the way that she’s inventing her own facts willy-nilly?

"don't act like a firing squad to those that refuse to adhere this"

So the extended measures is shielded people patrolling the streets executing people who break curfew or gather in groups of more than 6?

I don't think you should be lecturing anyone on their mental health, to be honest. Stop spreading fear etc etc etc

In March we were told by Imperial College that if we did nothing in the UK 500,000 would die.

Sweden is as good as we have to a laissez-faire example response to Covid and however you compare things they're not SO much worse than the stricter lockdown countries that you could still argue for that 500,000 (85,000 translated for Sweden) figure.

Current Swedish deaths are 5,900.
Nowhere near 85k.

Even if we take Imperial’s ‘Moderate lockdown’ projection figure of 250,000 (42,500 Sweden) they are still way below that at the moment.

& Sweden are loosening restrictions.

A case of the Hare & the Tortoise?

**Because it's not possible to prevent a pandemic spreading, killing thousands, and overwhelming the hospitals required to treat ALL illness..by pleasing both camps...

..but where one sides worst outcome is disrupted education and poor mental health.. and the other side results in death... it's a pretty clear choice. Because the dead don't get another chance**

But people are going to die for other non covid reasons, because of this. It’s not a clear choice at all.