It's just an overreaction.

[madcow88]

Now don't get me wrong I followed the rules to the letter and still am doing as I don't want to break the law.

However I think it's all a massive overreaction and I don't want to sit by and allow my children's generation to be destroyed.

Their education is totally fucked, they will not get to have the same social experiences as we did as young people.

Why is everyone happily sitting by and allowing our government to restrict our lives over a virus that kills 0.01% of people. Whilst 1000s of people are dying every day due to the lack of treatment and social interactions.

I really just do not feel comfortable with all the laws on our freedom being changed so dramatically over a virus if truth be told is not as deadly as they would like us to be believed.

Don't get me wrong I have sympathy for those people who lost their lives and for the people who will lose their lives in the future but no more than for the people who die of flu and other viruses each year.

Did you know 450 000 British people died in WW2? So if 1% of the current population died of covid it would be more than that.
I never hear anyone saying, oh well not many people died in the U.K. in WW2.

I don’t see how we can keep R0 under 1 until vaccine without wrecking economy

So we will have another wave. We have to do as before and not overwhelm NHS. But this time prioritise education and businesses.

@Ecosse

No one is suggesting COVID be allowed to ‘rip through’ society. Clearly measures like social distancing and masks should continue and there are some settings like nightclubs and concerts which cannot restart.

However, COVID is not an indiscriminate virus. It is very clear which individuals are at risk of serious illness or death- based on pre-existing conditions and age (I believe the average age of a COVID victim is actually above the UK’s current life expectancy).

The focus needs to be on protecting these individuals- pay their wages and make sure food is delivered. It makes little sense to ‘protect’ 18 year olds from getting a cough (if any symptoms at all).

And then the 18yo then passed it on to his 80 year old grandparents (as everyone is insistent that they have a right to keep seeing their family no matter what). Yes it doesn’t matter if the young catch it but unless they are completely isolated from older generations it does matter (and it’s impossible to completely isolate different generations across the whole of the U.K.)

I honestly believe most governments would go back and do the Sweden route if they could. They wont admit they were wrong tho.

I don't want to sit by and allow my children's generation to be destroyed.

Their education is totally fucked, they will not get to have the same social experiences as we did as young people.

It’s 18 months or so and it’s shit for everyone. Especially the dead ones. Get a fucking grip you bloody drama queen.

@Ecosse you pop up on every thread to say Long Covid doesn’t exist & it’s normal post-viral fatigue. I can show you a ton of studies showing people have long term complications & ill health following even mild Covid infections in much higher proportions than we see with, for example, influenza. Can you please link to some studies that show otherwise?

Howslifenow - exactly.

But the Swedish population seem a lot more sensible than us. Many people were SD even though there were no rules that they had to. Also working from home. Their demographic is different from us, many more single households.

Older children weren’t allowed to go to school. I have seen articles saying that schools which were open were halving the class size and using SD. Over 70s shielding.

So it is not like people carried on as normal.

Plus Sweden's economy was just as fucked, so they got a truckload more deaths than neighbouring countries for what? So a few people who can't handle reality could pretend it isn't happening?

I posted here to get other people's perspective and whether I was the only one thinking this way. I didn't expect to see so many rude people commenting,

vulnerable people

Drive lorries
teach children
work throughout the NHs
deliver groceries
care for old people
perform operations
run farms
are bakers
dentists
butchers
grocers
work at the till
stack shelves
drive bin lorries
work in the police
put out fires in the fire service
drive ambulances
are plumbers
electricians
builders
work in nurseries
drive trains
are child minders
fix vehicles

and so on^ ......( you get the picture^ )

So if all of these vulnerable types just 'opt out' as OP suggests ( and they really would have to if Covid was running unchecked) imagine how society would be affected.

It would be like cutting legs off a table. The NHS wouldn't be " up and running" . Picturing OP just carrying on "as normal".

Dream on OP.

@madcow88

I posted here to get other people's perspective and whether I was the only one thinking this way. I didn't expect to see so many rude people commenting,

I'm not sure i get you op. Do you want the freedom to take your extremely vulnerable child out wherever you want knowing that no one will be taking any precautions so the rate of infection will skyrocket or that you're happy for everyone to get on with their life and you'll keep your extremely vulnerable child "out the way"?

OP, if I started a thread saying
“I can’t believe that people are still allowed to go to the shops when there’s a deadly disease in circulation which has 10% fatality rate and has already killed a quarter of a million Britons!”
Would you have responded politely? Or would you have told me that I clearly knew SFA and should shut up?

@gypsywater
Some of us have different opinions on this to you. Stop with the insults and essentially questioning our intellect.

@madcow88 you’ve brought out all the arrogant numpties with this one. How dare you have your OWN opinion on something that affects your life. Having a different opinion means you have no brain cells apparently No opposing views allowed around here, some people are absolutely right and others are absolutely stupid, it seems Don’t let it bother you, if people can’t make a point without being rude that’s their own problem, not yours. For what it’s worth, I think you made some very valid points, and it seems a few others agree too. I can’t see anything changing though, which is grim.

What happened after WW1 & Spanish Flu hot on its heels, both events killing an awful lot of our (young) people?

Society healed & carried on, that’s what. It certainly didn’t implode.

I agree with you wholeheartedly OP but there is no point to threads like these as the dementor covid bed wetters will shout and shout and call you a murderer as they have no perspective and can’t assess risk properly.

People die - ALL THE TIME. Humans are not immortal- the Mumsnet dementors seem to overlook this fact. If there another lockdown (god knows why- the first one didn’t eradicate covid) then the government is merely substituting covid deaths with deaths from cancer and suicide etc etc.🤷🏼‍♀️

They are proposing another two week lockdown it's pointless unless you have a vaccine as when you come out it it goes up again.

I think they will look back on this in some years and wonder what we did.

Oh that rich from a group who've been calling people "sheeple". That's not questioning their intelect is it?

I know you're all really upset because you're being proven wrong about so much lately, but you're making fools of yourselves.

You were wrong, it is serious, restrictions are necessary and there is a second wave.

Everyone gets stuff wrong, it's how you handle being wrong that counts. Right now most of you look like children trying and failing to come up with ever more ridiculous reasons why you're so smart and the rest of the world are stupid.

dementor covid bed wetters

You seem...um...actually, are you ok?

Why is it pointless having controls until there is a vaccine? Yes rates go up easily as restrictions are lifted , but there is a lot of difference between 10 deaths a day ( strong control ) and 1000 deaths a day ( giving up) ...300 deaths a month or 30,000:deaths in a month.

Just because something is hard and takes repeated continuous effort doesn't mean we should give up.

madcow88 - people are not being rude - they are putting you right.

Because we all have no prior experience of a pandemic and are pissed off with the rules and regulations, it is tempting to just throw one's hands up and assume it is all nonsense. But sadly it is not.

What we do however know from history is that pandemics unchecked kill many many people. What we are now trying to do is to prevent that. There is a cost (financial, economy, other illnesses missing out) to that preventative work; but the balance of merit is clear.

The government made a total balls-up of the whole thing by not locking down as soon as the virus hit Europe - we are an island and it could have been done very easily. Instead they are left cobbling together an attempt to hold back the tide that they allowed to flow.

I am in a medically vulnerable group and I thank all those who are enduring inconvenience on my behalf and on behalf of many millions of others.

OP - would you feel qualified to pass an opinion on how a space rocket was programmed; or on how a brain surgeon was conducting an operation?

What happened after WW1 & Spanish Flu hot on its heels, both events killing an awful lot of our (young) people? Society healed & carried on, that’s what. It certainly didn’t implode.

Apart from sow the seeds of Nazism (not that I’m suggesting that will happen here and now!)

Great post op. Couldn't agree more

*the dementor covid bed wetters will shout and shout and call you a murderer as they have no perspective and can’t assess risk properly.
*
🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️ "murder" nope haven't seen that one?

😂 "dementor covid bed wetter" - well your'e just lovely

People die - ALL THE TIME. Humans are not immortal- the Mumsnet dementors seem to overlook this fact

Asthmatics, diabetics, people on warfarin, the over 70s, compromised immune systems, long term HIV sufferers, BAME population etc etc Nope they don't die " all the time". You're wrong about that. 🤦‍♀️

the first one didn’t eradicate covid) then the government
wasn't trying to👍🏻

the government is merely substituting covid deaths with deaths from cancer and suicide etc etc.🤷🏼‍♀️

Any stats for that? No didn't think so. 😘