It's just an overreaction.

[madcow88]

Now don't get me wrong I followed the rules to the letter and still am doing as I don't want to break the law.

However I think it's all a massive overreaction and I don't want to sit by and allow my children's generation to be destroyed.

Their education is totally fucked, they will not get to have the same social experiences as we did as young people.

Why is everyone happily sitting by and allowing our government to restrict our lives over a virus that kills 0.01% of people. Whilst 1000s of people are dying every day due to the lack of treatment and social interactions.

I really just do not feel comfortable with all the laws on our freedom being changed so dramatically over a virus if truth be told is not as deadly as they would like us to be believed.

Don't get me wrong I have sympathy for those people who lost their lives and for the people who will lose their lives in the future but no more than for the people who die of flu and other viruses each year.

I think we are throwing a generation under a bus, personally, for the sake of people over 80 who possibly only have a few years left. They don’t want that either

The ECV list had no age categories, was 2.5million people long, and included children.

Please stop writing off the most vulnerable as expendable.

Please stop writing off the most vulnerable as expendable

Agree - even the Tories aren’t being as heartless as some poster on here

The consequences of a second peak (complete chaotic hiatus) are so much worse (both in terms of the economy, lives and wider Heath (including MH and everything else non-Covid)

@iVampire

Please stop writing off the most vulnerable as expendable

Agree - even the Tories aren’t being as heartless as some poster on here

The consequences of a second peak (complete chaotic hiatus) are so much worse (both in terms of the economy, lives and wider Heath (including MH and everything else non-Covid)

Agree. Minimising the value of life is hugely damaging to society as a whole. First the very elderly, then those a bit younger but with a chronic condition, then the disabled, the fat, the black and Asian populations - where would it stop. Naziism started with the few.

There is growing evidence that increasing numbers of younger people are being more seriously affected but they tend Tom die after a significant spell in ITU with everyone fighting for them.

Many others don’t die within 28 days of a positive test, so are not recorded as Covid19 deaths. Deaths in the community are not necessarily featuring in the ONS count.

It’s a few months of minor restrictions.

@TheSeedsOfADream

Oh give it up ffs.

You’re developing a very unhealthy obsession with me & my views. Bored all day are we? Seem to spend a lot more time on here than me. Go and do some knitting for a few hours maybe.

This is a discussion forum, I’ve expressed some opinions and observations, not everyone agrees, wouldn’t expect them to & that’s fine. No biggie.

No I’m not ‘sulking’ over what HM Gov policy is as their voter base largely consists of the more elderly in society so why would I be surprised about the course they are (at least overtly?) charting.

Just pointing out the glaringly obvious: Herd immunity hasn’t gone away, on the contrary, as things stand, we remain on our way to it.

Have fun

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow

My children are so far largely ok. We have both kept our jobs. I see that changing soon.

Many many children I know are struggling. I’m talking not sleeping, don’t want to attend school. Trying to get referrals and none being available.

I think we are throwing a generation under a bus, personally, for the sake of people over 80 who possibly only have a few years left. They don’t want that either.

Isn't it funny how those advocating abandoning the elderly (and by extension vulnerable) always insist the people they advocate sacrificing don't mind. It's the Covid version of "I'm not racist but" I expect.

The truth is that if you’re on a sinking ship with an old person and a young person but you only have one life jacket, you give it to the young person.

Sometimes you can’t save everyone.

*The truth is that if you’re on a sinking ship with an old person and a young person but you only have one life jacket, you give it to the young person.

Sometimes you can’t save everyone.*

OFFS. Turn of Titanic.

And try and say something sensible.

I suspect all the people working overtime on vaccines and PP supply chains and in the NHs would just laugh at you. We are humans and we are learning all the time. Is that for NOTHING?

Not a bunch of chimps on a life raft.

@AlecTrevelyan006

The truth is that if you’re on a sinking ship with an old person and a young person but you only have one life jacket, you give it to the young person.

Sometimes you can’t save everyone.

Not a good analogy at all. What if the young person was a baby and unlikely to survive even with a life Jacket? What if the older person was the only one who could operate the life raft? What if it was a 67 year old emergency department consultant versus a 59 year old drug addict?

It’s really not so truer or so simple.

Herd immunity hasn’t gone away, on the contrary, as things stand, we remain on our way to it.

Not quite.
The idea is to keep numbers sufficiently down while not collapsing society and the economy.
Not doing the best to achieve a largely speculative population immunity level that nobody quite knows if it's possible to achieve or at what level is achieved.

All other things being equal, I would save the young person. As I’m sure most people would

All other things being equal, I would save the young person. As I’m sure most people would

Luckily we're not in a Pantomime Drama.

Yes, I fully understand that, so as I said, as things are, we’re on our way to it. In slow motion.

As Vallance said: ‘try and reduce the peak - not suppress it completely’

As the length of this thread demonstrates it's slightly more complicated than that.

My mum or some young random ageist and disablist Mumsnetter.
Let me think which one gets saved in my world...

No we’re not in a drama, wherein a crisis and it’s getting worse because of the government refusal to change course and too many of the public just blindly accepting of the scaremongering narrative.

2021 is going to be a lot worse than 2020 but for different reasons. When the millions of job losses kicks in and society completely collapses that’s when the shit will hit the fan.

2021 is going to be a lot worse than 2020 but for different reasons. When the millions of job losses kicks in and society completely collapses that’s when the shit will hit the fan.

And if society doesn't completely collapse will you come MN and point out what you just said. Or just name change?

@AlecTrevelyan006

Agree Alec.

We haven’t got a bottomless pit of cash so the time we can wait for vaccines/treatment is limited by that. Anybody not acknowledging that is in Ostrich mode.

@MummyPop00
Managing a pandemic is not the same as having herd immunity as a goal. Again, we don't even know if it's possible to achieve it at any time without a vaccine. Or even how effective a vaccine will be in the near future.

@sunglassesonthetable

2021 is going to be a lot worse than 2020 but for different reasons. When the millions of job losses kicks in and society completely collapses that’s when the shit will hit the fan.

And if society doesn't completely collapse will you come MN and point out what you just said. Or just name change?

I’m just a random bloke on the internet and have interest in changing my name in order to save face

I’ll either be right or I’ll be wrong. Either way it’s going to be shit.

On Talk Radio just now Julia Hartley Brewer asked Dominic Raab if he had any clue the number of healthy people

We haven’t got a bottomless pit of cash so the time we can wait for vaccines/treatment is limited by that.

Kind of obvious really 🙄

And unless anyone here is bunking off from their job in a vaccine lab or the treasury.

How the fuck do you know when that is?

’ll either be right or I’ll be wrong. Either way it’s going to be shit.

Shit = pretty bloody obvious

society collapses = get off social media and give yourself a break

@AlecTrevelyan006

2021 is going to be a lot worse than 2020 but for different reasons. When the millions of job losses kicks in and society completely collapses that’s when the shit will hit the fan.

But aren’t the Government’s plans aimed at keeping the economy as good as possible through this period? They are determined not to have another national lockdown.

I’m sure why people think that the economy would do well if the Government encouraged us to forget all social distancing and just let Covid rip through. The path we are going down seems a lot more similar to Sweden’s back in the spring, albeit the social restrictions are greater and we need to wear masks.

He couldn't even give a ballpark magnitude of the number, and when told (307) he was deadly silent as if the importance of this had hit home. Sadly it won’t make a hot of difference to the government’s decision making nor the wider public perception that millions of people are dropping like flies from this ‘out of control deadly virus’.

The majority are fully aware that younger people without underlying conditions haven’t been dying in significant numbers. That’s not news, and is missing the point.

If you can provide a template for how we effectively and humanely manage the risk to the old and vulnerable whilst infections rage unchecked, then I’m all ears. If we can do that, we should in my opinion... But I’ve not seen a credible plan for how to do this yet.

We haven’t got a bottomless pit of cash so the time we can wait for vaccines/treatment is limited by that. Anybody not acknowledging that is in Ostrich mode.

I agree, which is why we need the economy to be as operational as possible. I am genuinely interested in what our alternatives are, as what we have at present is pretty shit..... it’s just that the alternatives seem even shitter.