It's just an overreaction.

[madcow88]

Now don't get me wrong I followed the rules to the letter and still am doing as I don't want to break the law.

However I think it's all a massive overreaction and I don't want to sit by and allow my children's generation to be destroyed.

Their education is totally fucked, they will not get to have the same social experiences as we did as young people.

Why is everyone happily sitting by and allowing our government to restrict our lives over a virus that kills 0.01% of people. Whilst 1000s of people are dying every day due to the lack of treatment and social interactions.

I really just do not feel comfortable with all the laws on our freedom being changed so dramatically over a virus if truth be told is not as deadly as they would like us to be believed.

Don't get me wrong I have sympathy for those people who lost their lives and for the people who will lose their lives in the future but no more than for the people who die of flu and other viruses each year.

Italy didn't have a lockdown?
Tell me more.

Wasn’t there some evidence to show that we actually peaked before lockdown? So were we on a downward trajectory anyway without lockdown? We had so much spare capacity, the NHS didn’t come close to being overwhelmed. Would social distancing have been enough? And some restrictions, working from home etc...

Those in support of lockdown are basing it on the principle that cases would have just kept rising and rising. But that doesn’t necessarily happen. We peak then cases go down naturally. As Sweden saw.

we had so much spare capacity, the NHS didn’t come close to being overwhelmed.

This is untrue and disingenuous. Some hospitals declared a critical incident because they were at capacity.

Yes some hospitals. Not the NHS across the entire country.

@Cocklepops

‘The nhs was never ever overwhelmed! So I don't get your point.’

Because we locked down and took action to stop it becoming so, you monumental fuckwit 🤦🏼‍♀️

🤣

@Delatron

Yes some hospitals. Not the NHS across the entire country.

If your local hospitals are full and you're sent much further away that's not great. I imagine if it were you having the heart attack or stroke you'd prefer to be seen in the nearest hospital, or nearest specialist centre?

The only reason the NHS was not overwhelmed was that sensible people voted with the feet before the government introduced lockdown. One hospital did have to declare a critical incident and others were extremely close. The staff were also supported by the clapping and discounts, they are, however, still exhausted from trying to catch up on a backlog of other work, a backlog you al now wish to make worse.

As for the ButSwedens I say to you ButBrazil and ButAmerica, both more likely to be the pattern for us.

I hope you will all now go out and get infected and take it on the chin, because that's the best way to get through this, isnt it. Of course there may be no staff to care for you if you happen to be the unfortunate one with no known pre-existing conditions who just dies, because they will be caring for the others who got in first. And you may be one of the "mild" cases who doesnt recover for months because there will be tens or hundreds of thousands of them. But if you are a lucky mild case you can also volunteer to dig the graves in the fields - because, you know, Brazil.

Even the Swedish aren't 100% sure their way is the best way.

"Whether Sweden’s strategy is succeeding, however, is still very uncertain.
Its health authorities, and in particular chief epidemiologist Dr. Anders Tegnell, keep repeating a familiar warning: It’s too early to tell, and all countries are in a different phase of the pandemic."

The NHS didn't even come near to being over run!!!! They built new hospitals which were not even used!!!! So I dont think we can say the lockdown saved the NHS. There were huge amounts of availability in the system...

@loulouljh

The NHS didn't even come near to being over run!!!! They built new hospitals which were not even used!!!! So I dont think we can say the lockdown saved the NHS. There were huge amounts of availability in the system...

Oh god will somebody remove the internet from these people.

Why do you think the NHS didn't become overrun?
A) because there was a lockdown and loads of restrictive measures
B) BecauseSweden
C) Because Covid is overrated

Give you a clue.
It's not C. Or B.

@loulouljh

The NHS didn't even come near to being over run!!!! They built new hospitals which were not even used!!!! So I dont think we can say the lockdown saved the NHS. There were huge amounts of availability in the system...

The bricks and mortar hospitals weren't the limiting factor, it's staff - they can lay on temporary buildings but without an extra staff of medics and nurses they can't operate them.

It's the same way we might hear about 'no beds' in a hospital, it's not literally because they can't rustle up additional beds, it's staff to look after the people in them.

London doubled its ICU capacity and filled it, with only about 50 people going to the Nighingale.

They did an amazing job to avoid the NHS being overwhelmed. But the cost was the repurposing of many wards to infectious disease wards, redeploying staff from other specialties into those wards. And they coped, and it was magnificent.

Without the lockdown, it would have been an absolute tsunami, and what that would have meant just doesn't bear thinking about

Plenty of YouTube vids/articles out there on setting up your own CPAP.

After the pressure settings have been set by the medics, why are these patients not being sent home to recuperate there to free up space in the event of Armageddon occurring?

If they deteriorate, fair enough, they go back in to hospital for the 1 in 5 chance a ventilator gives them.

@MummyPop00

Plenty of YouTube vids/articles out there on setting up your own CPAP.

After the pressure settings have been set by the medics, why are these patients not being sent home to recuperate there to free up space in the event of Armageddon occurring?

If they deteriorate, fair enough, they go back in to hospital for the 1 in 5 chance a ventilator gives them.

If I, or any of my family, are so bad as to need CPAP i want to be in a hospital where the medical team are, and not at home hoping I don't deteriorate quickly

Sweet baby Jesus. It is time to hide this thread, I think.

@CrunchyNutNC

Clearly there will always be local outbreaks that result in local pressure on health services.

That is why imo we need to put all NHS staff on emergency contracts that allow them to be moved around the country as and when needed.

It makes no sense having nurses sitting idle in Thurso when they could be staffing a Nightingale unit in Birmingham.

This would augment the new nurses the government is bringing in from overseas- over 6500 on the order book from places like India already. With many more to come.

I'm still waiting to hear about Italy's not having a lockdown.

I'll read the "here's a ventilator I cobbled together with an inner tube and some sticky back plastic" advice later.

@TheSeedsOfADream

Italy does not have a lockdown now and actually eased theirs long before us.

They have managed the virus with a track and trace system and targeted closures. They have very low cases.

Yeah I know. I've lived there (here) for 26 years. Just wondering why you were saying earlier they'd managed all that with no lockdown.

Ecosse they also locked down before us, and the rules were stricter. They also made masks compulsory far earlier.

[quote Ecosse]@CrunchyNutNC

Clearly there will always be local outbreaks that result in local pressure on health services.

That is why imo we need to put all NHS staff on emergency contracts that allow them to be moved around the country as and when needed.

It makes no sense having nurses sitting idle in Thurso when they could be staffing a Nightingale unit in Birmingham.

This would augment the new nurses the government is bringing in from overseas- over 6500 on the order book from places like India already. With many more to come.[/quote]
& asking NHS staff who have already gone above and beyond to leave their families and home and move wherever and whenever they are told to is reasonable?

I'm not sure how that would work ecosse, they'll have family and responsibilities - not all will be able to up sticks. How many staff in Thurso would quit rather then be forced to work at the other end of the country? Are they sitting in Thurso twiddling their thumbs currently?

Ecosse even you must realise you are now just a joke - how many resignations do you think you'd get because not everyone can leave their family behind?

Madrid's hospitals are being overrun www.eldiario.es/madrid/hospitales-madrid-acercan-abismo-18-ocupacion-superior-90_1_6231636.html

And I'll believe 6500 nurses from India if they ever arrive.

How many people have agreed with your fucking terrible idea about moving NHS staff around the country so far, Ecosse? I count zero. Why don't you give it a rest.

@gje943

Just 2 pages ago I quoted the actual covid death numbers by age group
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The actual numbers (ONS)

Under 1 year 2
1 to 14 years 4
15 to 44 years 570
45 to 64 years 5019
65 to 74 years 7725
TOTAL 13320
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