It's just an overreaction.

[madcow88]

Now don't get me wrong I followed the rules to the letter and still am doing as I don't want to break the law.

However I think it's all a massive overreaction and I don't want to sit by and allow my children's generation to be destroyed.

Their education is totally fucked, they will not get to have the same social experiences as we did as young people.

Why is everyone happily sitting by and allowing our government to restrict our lives over a virus that kills 0.01% of people. Whilst 1000s of people are dying every day due to the lack of treatment and social interactions.

I really just do not feel comfortable with all the laws on our freedom being changed so dramatically over a virus if truth be told is not as deadly as they would like us to be believed.

Don't get me wrong I have sympathy for those people who lost their lives and for the people who will lose their lives in the future but no more than for the people who die of flu and other viruses each year.

@gje943 You're telling people to do some research but why don't you instead? How many working age people either died or have been left with long term health problems? Look up how many transport workers, healthcare staff, security guards, school staff have been affected.

@GoldenOmber

That's the point Jesus Christ....1% of the population would not need hospitalisation because THEY'D BE ISOLATED/PROTECTED. Healthy people with no underlying conditions VERY RARELY need to be hospitalised.

Yeah, rarely, maybe about 1% of the time? So if the whole population gets Covid at the same time, that would result in - ta-da! - 1% of the population needing hospitalisation at some point.

Also you still haven't explained how you are going to effectively set up and enforce compulsory isolation for maybe 25% of the population?

You're simply wrong.

1. The entire population would not get COVID at exactly the same time. It would be over a much longer timeline.

1. 80% of COVID infections are either mild or asymptomatic. Protect the vulnerable and manage infection rates in that population, and then you can keep the virus under control without destroying the economy. I am literally describing Sweden's strategy to you. It has clearly worked...I'm not hearing any alternatives coming from you.

1. Not compulsory isolation. Maybe in some cases that would be needed, but it would form part of a wider effort to manage infection rates in the vulnerable population.

[quote mrshoho]@gje943 You're telling people to do some research but why don't you instead? How many working age people either died or have been left with long term health problems? Look up how many transport workers, healthcare staff, security guards, school staff have been affected.[/quote]
ONS is your friend :)

Do some research on how dangerous this virus actually is to most people under 75

Oh FFS. Try to understand what I am saying. It may not kill people but if they get it they may feel to ill to go to work for a few days. Even if they don't they will still have to isolate and so will the rest of their household. So if swathes of the population all have to do this at the same time, well try and imagine what might happen.

[quote mrshoho]@gje943 You're telling people to do some research but why don't you instead? How many working age people either died or have been left with long term health problems? Look up how many transport workers, healthcare staff, security guards, school staff have been affected.[/quote]
307 people under aged 60 with no underlying conditions have died from COVID.

Not sure what point you're trying to make here. I've never said the virus would have ZERO impact to ANYBODY. Merely that locking down was the wrong approach.

gje943 do you not understand how quickly the virus spreads? Rhondda Cyn Taf is in lockdown because a few people went to Doncaster and brought it back. Look at the twat in Bolton who spread it around.

Rhondda Cynon Taf.

Every year many thousands of people take time off due to colds / flu so it wouldn’t really be any different

@ILoveYou3000
Sweden are currently doing well. Cases and deaths very low and not rising. Whilst everyone coming out of lockdown (and having suffered all the effects of that) well we know what is happening there.
Lots of newspaper reports over the past few days on Sweden.

Their death rate was higher then their neighbours through the peak but they are playing the long game. So they don’t need to keep going in and out of lockdown and see cases rise again the minute you release people.

Merely that locking down was the wrong approach

If only WHO and the world's governments had come to you for advice.

I don’t care if I’m a ‘butSweden’ person.

I’ve watched and admired their strategy and I’m routing for them. Because no country knows how to deal with this. No we couldn’t have done the same as them and I get that. But we might be able to take some learning from them about the virus.

The biggest mistake they made was not to protect care homes. They’ve admitted that

@AlecTrevelyan006

Every year many thousands of people take time off due to colds / flu so it wouldn’t really be any different

People have immunity to flu and we have a vaccine programme for NHS workers etc. Neither of those apply here.

@eufycurious

Do some research on how dangerous this virus actually is to most people under 75

Oh FFS. Try to understand what I am saying. It may not kill people but if they get it they may feel to ill to go to work for a few days. Even if they don't they will still have to isolate and so will the rest of their household. So if swathes of the population all have to do this at the same time, well try and imagine what might happen.

80% of cases are mild or asymptomatic. It really wouldn't be as bad as you think.

Also your argument against me is now that people might get a little sick and have to take some time off work if we didn't lockdown. I think we're making progress . Eventually you'll come round to my way of thinking.

@gje943 307 people under aged 60 with no underlying conditions have died from COVID.

You amaze me. You've quoted the figures under 60 with NO underlying conditions. How many working age people have died with underlying conditions? Do you think everyone over 50 in work has perfect health? You must live in cloud cuckoo land.

@Delatron thank you. Will have a read, as am interested whether they're back to full schooling and working yet.

80% of cases are mild or asymptomatic.

But mild Covid can still be pretty awful. People taking weeks/months to recover as mild is any case that hasn't required hospitalisation.

@eufycurious

Merely that locking down was the wrong approach

If only WHO and the world's governments had come to you for advice.

That's got to be the most intellectually lazy argument in existence.

Ohhhh government said lockdown is the only way so shut the fuck up and deal with it...don't even think about coming to your own conclusions!!!

Could not agree more. The nHS was never over-run. This is madness. Great article earlier in one newspaper about how people dealt with far more infectious and dangerous diseases in the past. It was NOT like this.

@loulouljh Could it, just ever so possibly, be that the NHS was not overrun because there was a national lockdown...?

But surely the NHS wasn’t overrun because we locked down and reduced other services

Rough estimate based on current uk population

If we assume we can keep nhs fully functional with up to 7000 covid patients ( ie 7000 spare beds plus staff over the next few months )

Then as long as we lock up anyone with a covid age of 55 or more we will be fine

So all healthy men over 55. A third of women age 56 or more ( - 5 for female, + 4 or more for obesity ) ,BAME men over 50

Of course. I don't think we have 7000 spare beds, and we will be short of nhs staff if we have locked a number of them up, so either we need to cancel a few cancer operations or we need to lock up the over 50's perhaps...but that then leaves us with even fewer nurses and doctors and porters...probably short of bus drivers and supermarket staff as well.

Or perhaps people could just cut their socialising , keep their distance and wear a mask

It seems this obvious point needs stating over and over and over again...

Just watched a really interesting video looking at how Italy has kept fases low. No lockdown but really effective and quick tracking and tracing (every contact of a positive test traced and isolated) and analysing what activities are actually causing transmission and shutting them (like dancing in bars and nightclubs) rather than just closing everything.

It seems to me that much more targeted measures like this are what is required (as well as a working track and trace system) rather than a lazy and ineffective lockdown.

[quote mrshoho]**@gje943* 307 people under aged 60 with no underlying conditions have died from COVID.*

You amaze me. You've quoted the figures under 60 with NO underlying conditions. How many working age people have died with underlying conditions? Do you think everyone over 50 in work has perfect health? You must live in cloud cuckoo land.[/quote]
From the ONS:

"The majority of deaths involving COVID-19 have been among people aged 65 years and over (46,781 out of 52,376)."

So the answer to your question is: not many.

What point are you trying to make, anyway? I've never said nobody would die if we didn't lockdown.

@AlecTrevelyan006

Every year many thousands of people take time off due to colds / flu so it wouldn’t really be any different

Children are routinely vaccinated for flu so schools don't become foci of infection. This isn't the case with covid.

Track and trace is the answer to prevent more lockdowns, but it is a joke in the UK.

• too little too late
• too much concentration on finding jobs-for-their-mates rather than getting the best people on the job.
• introducing fines that will deter people from getting tested, thus bringing the whole pack of cards tumbling down.

Truly - this government do not know what the heck they are doing and are simply encouraging the sort of unscientific garbage that is being spouted by some on here, who do not understand the issues around a pandemic of a NEW virus.

We are in the most dangerous situation imaginable; and we have a bunch of charlatans in charge. God help us all!