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It's just an overreaction.

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madcow88 · 19/09/2020 10:56

Now don't get me wrong I followed the rules to the letter and still am doing as I don't want to break the law.

However I think it's all a massive overreaction and I don't want to sit by and allow my children's generation to be destroyed.

Their education is totally fucked, they will not get to have the same social experiences as we did as young people.

Why is everyone happily sitting by and allowing our government to restrict our lives over a virus that kills 0.01% of people. Whilst 1000s of people are dying every day due to the lack of treatment and social interactions.

I really just do not feel comfortable with all the laws on our freedom being changed so dramatically over a virus if truth be told is not as deadly as they would like us to be believed.

Don't get me wrong I have sympathy for those people who lost their lives and for the people who will lose their lives in the future but no more than for the people who die of flu and other viruses each year.

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Ponoka7 · 20/09/2020 09:10

@Angrymum22
" As for the over 64yr olds, the majority of which will be retired and therefore not economically affected, shielding is their best option."

Do you do the school run? I'm a grandparent that does and there's as many GPs doing the school run as there are parents. I'm economically inactive, but I prop up three families via childcare, who couldn't work without my help. Our local MPs and food bank/distributers are 55+. When I did plans for disabled people, I found without the help of retired neighbours, a lot more people would have to go into residential care. Retired people, especially women, prop up our society in so many ways.

Social distancing and mask wearing isn't difficult. I'm happy with that. I've chosen to limit my going out etc. We need the truth behind the hospital figures. I had severe ME after an illness and was denied disability benefits. I eventually got them but lost on thousands. I'm suspicious of the government suddenly caring about disabled people and trying to scare people by using CF. I don't agree with hospital treatments, therapies and education stopping. I agree with everything that's been said about personal responsibility for health. It's sad to read the lancet report on child deaths in the US and see that the majority of children who died were severely obese.
As for older people, I think we've got to stop trying to push back the natural age of death, at the expense of society.

Reports are coming out from oncologists, Consultants, Specialists ect that for every four people who have died from Covid, three have died from lock down. People won't ever recover the ability to walk/talk/move because they've lost the window needed for therapy to work. Child speech therapists are doing their best via video calls but for many it isn't quite enough. Speech is one of the most important things for life chances.

I don't see the government proposing to up the age of funded education (currently 19). My DD with LDs took an extra year to pass her basic skills to go onto NVQs and because she reached the age of 19, we had to find £3k, because they don't give learner loans for starter level NVQs. With the benefit system the way it is, including the bedroom tax, it won't be a matter of things being delayed for a year, many teenagers will have to give up on college.

Contraception services in some areas are failing. Charities are having to close shops because of revenue lost. There's billions being lost for research.

Covid isn't the only health issue and cause of death/disability.

RoseAndRose · 20/09/2020 09:10

Yeah the difference between this and WW2 is that the yanks lent to us at nominal interest rates and deferred repayment on our behalf

And we were still paying it off until 2006

SaltyAndFresh · 20/09/2020 09:12

@MummyPop00

Taxing pensioners is a vile idea?

I don’t think it is actually.

Away from the Covid issue, pensioners by and large are doing fine. Most got state pension at 65, triple lock, trade on wartime deprivation of a war they weren't in, and have left a legacy of austerity, educational debt, high housing costs, and national debt that young people will be paying off all their lives.

Not just me spouting these opinions, ask the Institute of Fiscal Studies if you want confirmation on just how cushy those ‘poor’ Pensioners have had it in comparison to the working age population since the financial crisis.

This is one of the nastiest, most poisonous views I've ever read anywhere, not just Mumsnet.
MummyPop00 · 20/09/2020 09:13

Problem is though, we have an ageing population, which before Covid was already beginning to cause problems and will continue to do so in the short & medium term. Now we have the bills for this on top of that. And with an insufficient taxpayer base as things stand.

SexTrainGlue · 20/09/2020 09:14

As for the over 64yr olds, the majority of which will be retired and therefore not economically affected, shielding is their best option

Why?

Genuine question.

None of the original shielding list categories was by age, but by exceptional medical vulnerability.

Why would you extend it so widely?
And why a broad age category, rather than using the medically vulnerable 'flu jab' group as next to be removed from society?

(though as shielding is not mandatory, not all would vanish, but you can kiss goodbye to availability of supermarket delivery if so many are advised to go into total seclusion)

RedToothBrush · 20/09/2020 09:14

Words fail me with this:

www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/18731840.coronavirus-testing-facility-spire-cheshire-hospital/
Coronavirus testing facility at Spire Cheshire Hospital

If it were possible to find a location within the boundaries of the borough which was less accessible to anyone without a car and financially strapped you'd struggle to identify it.

Its in the south of the town (the more affluent side), in a very rural location (its on a main a road on the way to the motorway but theres nothing else around it for some. distance). Its impossible to walk to from just about anywhere, its a long walk even from the nearest village. And theres absolutely no public transport that anywhere at all near it. I think im right in saying the nearest bus route is several miles away so not seriously feasible in any way. Theres nothing near it but fields.

I mean it is good there is going to be more testing facilities in the town, but this site? A private hospital? It just smacks of everything this decision shouldnt be focused on. We know who is most vulnerable to covid and least able to get a test...

sunglassesonthetable · 20/09/2020 09:14

I don't HAVE to have an "answer" to know when something is crap.

Just the same as I don't HAVE to want to govern this country to know who to vote for.

You've come up with some complete shit idea.
I don't have to pretend to do the same.

And calling you "a fiscal font of wisdom " was a joke obvs.

"compassion vacuum" wasn't.

@MummyPop00

RancidOldHag · 20/09/2020 09:16

Covid isn't the only health issue and cause of death/disability

Entirely agree, so if we want to see other services running properly, we really need to get through this winter without a big rise. We need to reach the situation where we do not need so much of NHS to be 'hot'

Focusanddetermination · 20/09/2020 09:20

There seems to have been a great deal of social engineering of public opinion to create an entirely new Overton window of views around how we deal with a virus, which is by no means unprecedented in terms of number of excess deaths it has caused. We have got to start doing a cost-benefit analysis in terms of the price we are paying as a society for trying to prevent contagion at expense of many other things that actually make life worth holding onto. Having human rights for example. The right to education, right to freedom of assembly, right to do business, right to worship, right to peacefully protest and so on.

^ this

TheSeedsOfADream · 20/09/2020 09:22

Can I just ask posters to report ageist and disablist comments to HQ? They are pretty on the ball about hate speech as can be seen from their deletion yesterday.

MummyPop00 · 20/09/2020 09:31

@sunglassesonthetable

So, still no answers.

You carry on voting for the Pie in the Sky Party then.

sunglassesonthetable · 20/09/2020 09:32

You carry on voting for the Pie in the Sky Party then.

😂 "tax the virus" and "tax pensioners homes"

gypsywater · 20/09/2020 09:32

Again, just to check, is "elderly" and "old" a veiled shorthand for "elderly, disabled and/or physically vulnerable"?

MummyPop00 · 20/09/2020 09:37

@Sunglassesonthetable

See, I can’t guffaw disparagingly at your suggestions, because you haven’t made any have you? Smile

TheSeedsOfADream · 20/09/2020 09:38

@gypsywater

Again, just to check, is "elderly" and "old" a veiled shorthand for "elderly, disabled and/or physically vulnerable"?
I think we can safely say so gypsy. They daren't actually say it outright though. The elderly are fair game though.
TheSeedsOfADream · 20/09/2020 09:39

I have a millionaire friend. Two houses. One in central London.
Should he be expected to stump up more? He's only 48 you see?

CoronaIsWatching · 20/09/2020 09:41

I won't comply with another lockdown either, unless Dominic Cummings is sacked

sunglassesonthetable · 20/09/2020 09:42

See, I can’t guffaw disparagingly at your suggestions, because you haven’t made any have you?

👍🏻 totally. You keep them coming.

"tax the virus" and "tax pensioners homes"

( Except really yours are not that funny. )

GoldenOmber · 20/09/2020 09:44

I’d be up for ‘tax the virus’. Sneaky bastard probably has all sorts stashed away in offshore accounts somewhere.

MummyPop00 · 20/09/2020 09:44

@TheSeedsOfADream

A millionaire friend eh? Have you mentioned them before?

48? I’d go along with a rise in tax, dependent on that person’s assessed risk of dying from Covid-19.

So, increase tax yes, but not as much as you would for a 80 year old.

gypsywater · 20/09/2020 09:48

@TheSeedsOfADream
Yup, the implied inclusion of "disabled, physically unwell, obese" under the shorthand of "elderly" is pretty plain to see on these threads and needs bringing out into the open. I guess "elderly" is a more sanitised term to use but let's be clear about what it really meant eh when we are talking about higher risk groups.

sunglassesonthetable · 20/09/2020 09:49

@gypsywater

you need to add in BAME groups that have a higher risk.

gypsywater · 20/09/2020 09:49

@MummyPop00 What's your tax plan for disabled people? Disabled children - should their parents be taxed more? BAME folk? Better tax them more.

TheSeedsOfADream · 20/09/2020 09:51

No, I don't think I've mentioned him before. Why should I?
He's got terminal cancer by the way.
So you're not getting his 48% for much longer.

I think I've missed where you told us what you pay into the govt coffers?

sunglassesonthetable · 20/09/2020 09:52

48? I’d go along with a rise in tax, dependent on that person’s assessed risk of dying from Covid-19.

Do you want to asses groups for their risk of getting cancer, motor neurone diseases, heart diseases etc ? And tax them?

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