It's just an overreaction.

[madcow88]

Now don't get me wrong I followed the rules to the letter and still am doing as I don't want to break the law.

However I think it's all a massive overreaction and I don't want to sit by and allow my children's generation to be destroyed.

Their education is totally fucked, they will not get to have the same social experiences as we did as young people.

Why is everyone happily sitting by and allowing our government to restrict our lives over a virus that kills 0.01% of people. Whilst 1000s of people are dying every day due to the lack of treatment and social interactions.

I really just do not feel comfortable with all the laws on our freedom being changed so dramatically over a virus if truth be told is not as deadly as they would like us to be believed.

Don't get me wrong I have sympathy for those people who lost their lives and for the people who will lose their lives in the future but no more than for the people who die of flu and other viruses each year.

or people who've died of the virus?

People seem to focus on this being risky for older people. It is and that matters but Covid 19 is also particularly risky for young shielded groups and for healthcare workers.

Another death of a clinician overnight in the US: twitter.com/jesseosheamd/status/1307441647098109952?s=21

to add to the other 1200 healthcare worker deaths there: www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2020/aug/11/lost-on-the-frontline-covid-19-coronavirus-us-healthcare-workers-deaths-database.

Potentially up to 620 in the UK: www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-nhs-staff-deaths-secret-cover-ministers-a9667156.html

For those not dying massive potential mental health issues following the trauma of managing the Covid response Coronavirus: Why healthcare workers are at risk of moral injury www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52144859

It’s pretty hard for people to hear other diminish the impact of Covid19 and call it all an overreaction. I understand that this is likely a way for people who are fearful to manage their fears but there is a need for us all to change our behaviours to minimise the spread of Covid.

@sunglassesonthetable

Ok your turn. How do we pay for your indefinite lockdown then?

No, older, equity rich house owners. I’ve clearly not thought out all the finer details, but we’ll start from there & adjust as necessary.

You clearly haven't.

Sounds more like you've got a few grudges going on.

I don't see how attempting to tax an illiquid asset from a group which has pretty fixed income streams is going to work.

Other than by assuming most people will sell up/downsize in greater numbers, making smaller properties more expensive (more demand) and crashing the price of larger ones.

David Willets was on about taxing the Boomers before Covid. So I’d say it’s more viable now than ever.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43292377

So come on? How else do we pay for this extended lockdown you want?

"Do people want to press buttons on a smartphone for something that does not benefit them or do they use their energy on things that actually matter - like eating. You have clearly never been seriously ill.

You also dont know how many people stop using the zoe ap."

People that recover completely and no longer have symptoms are more likely to stop using the app as it no longer serves a purpose to them. Once you've had covid and have recovered there's no point using it anymore. People still having symptoms are more likely to keep using considering it is a symptom tracker...

‘People that recover completely and no longer have symptoms are more likely to stop using the app as it no longer serves a purpose to them. Once you've had covid and have recovered there's no point using it anymore.’

• So that would increase the ratio of Long Covid proportionally wouldn’t it?

Ok your turn. How do we pay for your indefinite lockdown then?

I don't want an "indefinite lockdown " .

Nor am I going to pluck something out of the air like " tax the virus" or "tax old people's house equity" .

OP, can you explain further how it will work when we get all NHS services and operations running the same as pre-Covid, yet not (potentially) kill those sick people whilst in hospital by exposing them to Covid? Covid running through the population again because you say we should let it.
Exposure during inpatient treatment is exposure they wouldn't have if social distancing and working from home.

Basically, how do we ignore it ripping through the population? If Boris Johnson had ignored his symptoms and carried on, he'd probably be dead now. So would many others.

@MummyPop00

No, older, equity rich house owners. I’ve clearly not thought out all the finer details, but we’ll start from there & adjust as necessary.

Your hatred for older people shines through on every ageist (and nonsensical) post you make. Are you going to tax the rich young as well? Because you only go on (and on) about older houseowners.

Pray tell your contribution to the nation's coffers?

Zoe App suggests 1 in 200 reports symptoms for over 90 days. Hardly the 1 in 3 who get Cancer is it.

@MummyPop00, I noticed that figure but someone involved in longcovid groups says many have shared they stopped logging their symptoms into the Zoeapp after a few weeks as it gets too much listing symptoms daily for weeks on end. This sounds plausible to me so I think the 1 in 200 figure is skewed. As said, we need proper documenting of longcovid in the coming months.

@sunglassesonthetable

Ok, I’m not hearing much in terms of alternative strategy from you.

How do we pay the bill already accrued & still accruing then?

*Ok, I’m not hearing much in terms of alternative strategy from you.

How do we pay the bill already accrued & still accruing then?*

I could probably come up with some shit right crap like " tax the virus" in about 10 seconds.

But I'm not going to.

right wing

We pay the bills the same way as we paid for ww2

Slowly

So slowly that I doubt anyone noticed when we stopped paying those bills ( hint, during the last decade)

During that time, we also created the nhs and saw a huge increase in life expectancy and living standards across the population ( inside loos for individual households and central heating for a start ) funded not by private enterprise but by government

So no, I am not scared of paying off the bills

No answers then? That’s a shame, was looking forward to them.

I agree with you also OP.

Yeah the difference between this and WW2 is that the yanks lent to us at nominal interest rates and deferred repayment on our behalf.

No answers then? That’s a shame, was looking forward to them.

No shit answers.

No come on, fiscal font of wisdom, I’m all ears.

It will be the same again, we are borrowing on very low interest rates and the international finance group always gets payments deferred, its how the world works

The biggest threat to your future spending capability is still a no deal Brexit not paying off the virus

But if you are that concerned, remember things happen, and perhaps in future we should all pay a lot more tax ( something I have always been happy to vote for ) to have a healthy nhs and to build up a saving pot.

Wonder how much the amazing swedes pay in tax...

You're the fiscal font of wisdom .

Never claimed that.

But a compassion vacuum.

"tax the virus" and "tax old people's homes"

Current world interest rates are absolutely nominal mommypop. We don’t need anyone to lend us long term money on the cheap as a favour - they’re queueing up to do it anyway.