It's just an overreaction.

[madcow88]

Now don't get me wrong I followed the rules to the letter and still am doing as I don't want to break the law.

However I think it's all a massive overreaction and I don't want to sit by and allow my children's generation to be destroyed.

Their education is totally fucked, they will not get to have the same social experiences as we did as young people.

Why is everyone happily sitting by and allowing our government to restrict our lives over a virus that kills 0.01% of people. Whilst 1000s of people are dying every day due to the lack of treatment and social interactions.

I really just do not feel comfortable with all the laws on our freedom being changed so dramatically over a virus if truth be told is not as deadly as they would like us to be believed.

Don't get me wrong I have sympathy for those people who lost their lives and for the people who will lose their lives in the future but no more than for the people who die of flu and other viruses each year.

What do you suggest as an alternative?

I suggest we all get on with our lives as we did pre-lockdown. we should also be given the freedom to chose to keep ourselves safe in the same way we do with flu and other viruses.

We should get the NHS up and running for all treatments and appointments to run as they did pre-Covid.

Vulnerable people should also be given the choice to isolate if they wish and If not should be able to go ahead with their lives as they did pre-lockdown, looking after themselves as they did before to prevent them catching the flu or other viruses.

I think it's logical to do that! We live in the 2020 we should be five the freedom, choice and responsibility to live our live our life's as we choose.

I say all of this as a woman who is extremely vulnerable and I also have an extremely vulnerable child.

@madcow88

I suggest we all get on with our lives as we did pre-lockdown. we should also be given the freedom to chose to keep ourselves safe in the same way we do with flu and other viruses.

We should get the NHS up and running for all treatments and appointments to run as they did pre-Covid.

Vulnerable people should also be given the choice to isolate if they wish and If not should be able to go ahead with their lives as they did pre-lockdown, looking after themselves as they did before to prevent them catching the flu or other viruses.

I think it's logical to do that! We live in the 2020 we should be five the freedom, choice and responsibility to live our live our life's as we choose.

I say all of this as a woman who is extremely vulnerable and I also have an extremely vulnerable child.

Also extremely vulnerable but my children aren't. I agree. This isn't right ....I'm a teacher so to me the loss of education is criminal.

However...... Can a government (however much we hate them).... Actually say "ok forget it all. We're just going to step back, do nothing and whoever dies...dies.....,"

I don't think any government could actually do that

Agree with you 100% OP. There’s going to be another national lockdown in October I reckon and I for one will not be supporting it. Who will dare protest though?!? If you err from the party line you’re seen as no better than a heartless murderer.

How do you advise the NHS run as they did pre-COVID when the hospitals are over run?

.... so you would just let this virus rage throughout the general population unchecked and it's up to the vulnerable to make their own arrangements ?. How many people , do you suggest , would die if we did that then ?.

That's all well and good OP but what happens when there are too many Covid cases for hospitals, and regular surgeries have to be postponed? People off sick and schools affected because of it? More people having long term Covid symptoms?

the hospitals were never over run the first time round, thousands of people denied vital cancer treatments and 21 drs and nurses standing around with only maybe 10 on ventilators at anyone time, excellent work by the government and BBC to put the fear into people = 100% compliance

Millions of vulnerable people work in schools, the NHS, shops, supermarkets, they drive delivery vans and work in offices etc. What happens to society if they all hide away or god forbid are seriously ill and take up hospital beds?
It's in all our interests to suppress this virus and take mitigating measures to keep everyone well.
What happens when the virus exponentially grows and overwhelms the NHS ? When all schools close again because all of the staff are sick?
I'm sorry but there is no going back to pre Covid normal until the virus is gone or there's a vaccine, we've just got to suck it up and do the best we can.

It's not a popular opinion OP but I agree with you.

How can you be 'vulnerable' to something you don't believe exists?

The only correct thing in your posts is your user name.

Bloody hell. It's been 6 months not a generation.

As long as you're happy to forgo hospital treatment if needed then crack on with your views

That's fine, but what do you then do with all the people who are seriously ill with covid?

Test everyone who needs hospital care, and if they are positive send them home to either get better or die, to protect hospital capacity for non-covid?

Our children will bounce back, yes they might have to do a retake year, their social experiences are stunted for a year or so, but when they are 40 it really will not matter. They will swap Covid-19 stories, there will be songs, films, comedy all inspired by lockdown.

It's our job as parents to let them know it will be ok. Retake a year, so what? Bit late to learn to drive, go university next year, I never went to prom did you?

Every now and again whole populations have to have freedoms curved, and it's worldwide, have a read of what is happening in India, so we are all watching a bit too much Netflix, it could be a lot worse.

And I get it we have had many a "crest-fallen" moment with our children, still are having them, and our parental instinct is to try and solve their sadness, but we can't.

I hope the younger generation work towards a very different, progressive, problem-solving, fairer society. With imaginative architecture that makes homes healthier environments.

This could be the reset this planet and population needs. Our freedoms will return and we will all cherish them all the more when they do.

Where are you getting the 0.01% death rate figure from?

I 100% agree OP. It’s been blown out of all proportion. The NHS wasn’t even overwhelmed in the last wave. The Nightingale was barely used. I have no idea why they are putting cancer treatments on hold and playing with people’s lives over a virus that will not seriously affect most people.

@VickySunshine

.... so you would just let this virus rage throughout the general population unchecked and it's up to the vulnerable to make their own arrangements ?. How many people , do you suggest , would die if we did that then ?.

I'd do exactly that. And I'm in the extremely vulnerable group.

The vulnerable will know the potential outcome for their individual situation, so can make their decisions based on that.

Also, it’s not going anywhere, so are we supposed to just do lockdown every few weeks forever?

@frozendaisy tell that to all the people losing their jobs and homes. Patronising rubbish.

@MJMG2015 it is possible to have an opposing view without being rude. Clearly you have not mastered this.

I was really ill the end of last year for months with what would be now classic coronavirus symptoms (constant, barking cough, finding it hard to breathe/get air properly into my lungs from doing the most inactive things such as just moving about or sometimes even just laying down)
No way do I want to feel like that again if that's what it was (guess I'll never know what it was) so I really do wish people would just be sensible and stick to the guidelines.

@MJMG2015

How can you be 'vulnerable' to something you don't believe exists?

The only correct thing in your posts is your user name.

Fair point well made.

Because there isnt a pretend its not happening option. I would love to just go back to a 2019 style of functioning however even if we dropped the restrictions the virus would have an impact.
Firstly you cant seperate the world into a "opt out of restrictions" and "opt in" groups. The opting in would still need access to shops, health care, social care, possibly families etc. Whatever is decided the vulnerable will be affected, its naive to think they can be protected from the decision of wider society.

Services wouldnt be able to run as normal. Those "opting in" group staff your shops, run your wards, care for your elderly. Even if we talk about it as predominantly a flu, massive levels of brief sickness would impact most aspects of life from food production to travel

I work in the nhs and my team would struggle to function if vulnerable members of staff could no longer work. We currently are being redeployed at times to cover increased sickness on ward staff. My service is a vital one, we usually struggle over winter when sickness bugs take hit so any increase in sickness is likely to be lead to unsafe staffing and services closing/reducing contacts. Thats without starting to take into account the massive numbers that would have to isolate due to family members being positive( You can't have covid positive staff working on a ward)

Even if the nhs could manage the level of staff sickness, it would then be faced with an increase in demand. All the service people are crying out for now would be taking the hit.

I can't imagine the nhs is the only thing vulnerable to that.

We cant expect restrictions or no restrictions for the world to carry on as normal

Great post OP. If we had followed this approach in March, according to the modelling more than 250k people would have died. Even with restrictions, we have 57k people dead.second wave is generally more deadly. I would prefer my gran and kids to be alive than some months without
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