It's just an overreaction.

[madcow88]

Now don't get me wrong I followed the rules to the letter and still am doing as I don't want to break the law.

However I think it's all a massive overreaction and I don't want to sit by and allow my children's generation to be destroyed.

Their education is totally fucked, they will not get to have the same social experiences as we did as young people.

Why is everyone happily sitting by and allowing our government to restrict our lives over a virus that kills 0.01% of people. Whilst 1000s of people are dying every day due to the lack of treatment and social interactions.

I really just do not feel comfortable with all the laws on our freedom being changed so dramatically over a virus if truth be told is not as deadly as they would like us to be believed.

Don't get me wrong I have sympathy for those people who lost their lives and for the people who will lose their lives in the future but no more than for the people who die of flu and other viruses each year.

Wasn’t there plenty of joy from just turning patients onto their fronts?

Personally I wouldn't call 65,000 deaths 'plenty of joy'.

*I suggest we all get on with our lives as we did pre-lockdown. we should also be given the freedom to chose to keep ourselves safe in the same way we do with flu and other viruses.

We should get the NHS up and running for all treatments and appointments to run as they did pre-Covid*

These 2 points just don't mesh together.

Our hospital wasn't "overrun" I the sense of people lying in corridors.
But every ward had covid patients. Some were shut as there was such a high level of staff sickness there weren't enough people to safely staff them.
There wasn't enough PPE to go around.
Our theatres were turned into extra ITU space.

And that was with lockdown.

How do you imagine that would've panned out without a lockdown? Or any serious measures to control spread?

I get it, it's shit. Everythings shit. We all feel it. But you can't just wish this away.
It is real. It is here and we all have to do our bit to protect ourselves and others

The NHS has had a very quiet summer. It should have been making the most of that imo, building on what was already put in place & going even more on a war footing.

Yes, whyever didn’t they quadruple their well-trained staff by setting up some form of summer school. Silly NHS!

"Their education is totally fucked"

Slight overreaction there! Impacted maybe, but not totally fucked.

We've all just got to knuckle down to get through this.

@Subordinatethatclause

"Their education is totally fucked"

Slight overreaction there! Impacted maybe, but not totally fucked.

We've all just got to knuckle down to get through this.

The gap between the educational achievement of the richest and poorest students increased by a further 48% during lockdown. Those children will never recover those losses, so yeah fucked.

Well if there isn’t a vaccine and we are incapable
of controlling it through testing and tracing and quarantining like China then we’ll probably have to accept massive damage, a lot of deaths, and even more of a hit to the economy than we’re seeing at present.

But given there probably will be a vaccine and it probably won’t be all that long, why would we inflict all that on ourselves needlessly?

@GoldenOmber

Well they’ve not got a cure for cancer, they’ve not got a vaccine for HIV, they’ve got no vaccine for the common cold..... so nothing is certain despite the optimism.

When I say cute for cancer - I mean they can’t cure it in all situations

@TableFlowerss

Well if there isn’t a vaccine and we are incapable of controlling it through testing and tracing and quarantining like China then we’ll probably have to accept massive damage, a lot of deaths, and even more of a hit to the economy than we’re seeing at present.

But given there probably will be a vaccine and it probably won’t be all that long, why would we inflict all that on ourselves needlessly?

@GoldenOmber

Well they’ve not got a cure for cancer, they’ve not got a vaccine for HIV, they’ve got no vaccine for the common cold..... so nothing is certain despite the optimism.

They’ve never tried to make a vaccine for the common cold, HIV is a really tricky virus to vaccinate against in a way that Covid isn’t, and ‘a cure for cancer’ is a totally different thing.

No it isn’t certain that we’ll have a Covid vaccine. But trials are looking pretty good right now. So let’s at least wait to see how they shake out before letting the virus kill half a million people and crash the economy even more than it already is?

A friend of mine works in a hospital in the centre of a major northern city now impacted by COVID. She told me that during the lockdown her hospital and another nearby had hardly any COVID patients. Different story now through.

**They’ve never tried to make a vaccine for the common cold, HIV is a really tricky virus to vaccinate against in a way that Covid isn’t, and ‘a cure for cancer’ is a totally different thing.

No it isn’t certain that we’ll have a Covid vaccine. But trials are looking pretty good right now. So let’s at least wait to see how they shake out before letting the virus kill half a million people and crash the economy even more than it already is?**

@GoldenOmber

At the possibility that they can make a vaccine..... At the expense of 99% if the population that will be absolutely fine without one. There’ll likely be no economy left this time next year!

@gypsy water, thanks for your concern. I believe my sis will be just fine as will the other doctors in my family.
Yes of course there were less accidents because of lockdown but they were supposed to be busy dealing with Covid patients. It didn't happen. So the numbers/predictions were wrong.

Sigh.

I agree with you opener. We tried lockdown and all we did was delay the inevitable. If the govt had had any sense while in lockdown they should have ramped up their testing and track and trace so it was genuinely world beating instead of talking about it then people could return to work and anyone symptomatic could get tests almost instantly . We need thermal heat sensors everywhere at schools shopping centres, hospitals, airports, Universities. We should wear the masks social distance were possible , keep washing our hands and lets just get back to work, education etc Anyone vulnerable should be supported with home education benefits and a support system The rest of the economy crack on. If we go back into lockdown just so we can tread water again we are just wasting our time and destroying the economy for the dream of a vaccine in the near future. We have to manage the here and now not just shut the door and hide

The gap between the educational achievement of the richest and poorest students increased by a further 48% during lockdown

How on earth is this measured? I have absolutely no doubt that there is a huge desparity between children that has been amplified and widened during lockdown, but why is pulling %s out of thin air useful

Great post OP. If we had followed this approach in March, according to the modelling more than 250k people would have died. Even with restrictions, we have 57k people dead.second wave is generally more deadly. I would prefer my gran and kids to be alive than some months without School

Children's education is suffering, but it will recover. Ditto the economy. But dead is dead. Can you really live with that?

But it is not just routine appointments. My eye oncology appointment was cancelled.

The difference with this one is relatively easy to transmit relatively little natural protection

Mum caught it Dad didn't. They had both been seeing the same people and gone to the same places at the same time. Mum died, dad didn't have so much as a cough. So either it wasn't easily transmitted or dad had a lot of natural protection.

Old & weak people tend to die. Sorry to be the harbinger of bad news but that’s how it is.

I’ve had a sibling die at aged 7, father died at 46.

It sucks. But the odds of surviving this thing are actually a lot better than all the wet blankets on here are making it out to be. Even for the ‘vulnerable’. It’s not the Black Death and this slashing of our collective economic wrists has to stop sooner rather than later because this could go on for years as you will NOT EVER get 100% compliance with lockdowns.

The End.

@trappedsincesundaymorn I am sorry about your mum.

Did your dad get tested? They do think some people are super spreaders. I assume the person who came back from holiday and refused to quarantine and went on a pub crawl in Bolton is one such super spreader.

I agree OP. The current situation cannot be sustained indefinitely. We all know what works ie social distancing , handwashing etc. It is fairly obvious that the relaxing of social distancing ( opening up pubs, restaurants and leisure industry ) has been the main cause of increase in infection rates. We are all grown ups who have been given enough information to risk assess and act according to our own needs.
DS is year 11 and I refuse to disadvantage his education by keeping him off school. He is low risk. We will keep him away from vulnerable family and friends for the foreseeable future.
I work frontline in very high risk healthcare, with full PPE and every conceivable protective protocol in place but accept that I will get Covid or have probably had it already. DH is the vulnerable one in our household but has also probably had it curtesy of me.
To be honest most of my working life I have run a high risk of contracting serious airborne and blood borne infections. I suppose Covid seems such a low risk compared to many viruses we are exposed to.

@MummyPop00

Old & weak people tend to die. Sorry to be the harbinger of bad news but that’s how it is.

I’ve had a sibling die at aged 7, father died at 46.

It sucks. But the odds of surviving this thing are actually a lot better than all the wet blankets on here are making it out to be. Even for the ‘vulnerable’. It’s not the Black Death and this slashing of our collective economic wrists has to stop sooner rather than later because this could go on for years as you will NOT EVER get 100% compliance with lockdowns.

The End.

If this is so obvious, why do you think every single country is putting measures in place?

And what do you think will happen to the NHS, food supplies, bin collections without limiting spread?

It feels like people just aren't thinking things through, in terms of practicalities.

[quote Dreamcatcher34]@MJMG2015 it is possible to have an opposing view without being rude. Clearly you have not mastered this.[/quote]
Oh jog on

I'm fed up of explaining the fucking obvious to people unable to engage their brain cells

Dreamcatcher34

I 100% agree OP. It’s been blown out of all proportion. The NHS wasn’t even overwhelmed in the last wave. The Nightingale was barely used. I have no idea why they are putting cancer treatments on hold and playing with people’s lives over a virus that will not seriously affect most people.

The NHS wasn't overwhelmed because we locked down.

Cancer treatments that made people more vulnerable were put on hold to keep them safe!

JFC

Leaving the ethics of just letting the "old and weak" die, aside, the NHS and other services would be utterly decimated. Which would affect everyone.

@Ibake

0.01% is a ridiculous made up figure that would mean 6,700 of the U.K. population would die if everyone gets infected. I don’t understand why people think that using bollocks stats like this helps their argument... It does the exact opposite!

But 0.1% is too low as well. Various places are at 0.2-0.3% and it’s far from over and not everyone will have been infected even in areas of really high infection.