Have state school teachers faced redundancy for not working during lockdown?

[notevenat20]

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I think those of us who work in the private sector understand we are going to have to work during periods of self isolation whilst juggling family. It was the same during lockdown. We want to keep our jobs so we will have to provide the service.

This got me wondering, is this a pressure state school teachers feel too?

Certainly at DC’s school no educational provision was given for almost all of lockdown (there were 6 key worker children in the school, out of 420).

Teachers do as they’re told by SLT - well that’s exactly what the judge has asked in the case I mentioned.
We shall see...

@WhyareWeHardOfThinking that is what I don’t understand, why are people getting at the teachers, if they don’t like what the school provided that will be down to the SLT not the individual teachers.

There were about a gazillion threads through lockdown that extrapolated “my child’s school aren’t live teaching” to “schools teachers should be sacked”.

This feels, OP, as though you would like to rehash that.

I worked throughout lockdown teaching and safeguarding. I’ve had the two most challenging weeks of my teaching career since going back to school - and next week is looking worse.

So you stir the pot if you want, but bear in mind there are good, experienced teacher like me reading this. Honestly, we could do without this shit just now.

[quote BunsyGirl]@pooiepooie25 You are being ridiculous. No one said that all teachers were the same but, as soon as people criticise those that did little or nothing during lockdown, you go on the offensive. Stop protecting those that are dragging your profession down. I would like a surgery of all state school parents to be carried out so that we can get a better idea of which schools did well and those that couldn’t be arsed. There needs to be consequences for those that couldn’t be arsed.[/quote]
The problem is that there are so many people on this site generalising - ALL teachers did NOTHING. Over and over and over again.
If you had a problem with your school, then take it up with them. Find out why they allegedly did fuck all.
Don't start yet another fucking thread about teachers being shit.
Direct your anger at the Government and their policies. They laid no ground rules for what schools were to do in lockdown. They gave schools no extra money. I could go on and on.
@noblegiraffe has the best list of the Government's fuck ups regarding schools.
Contact your MP. Complain to them about the Government.
Just stop with the fucking shitty posts about teachers and schools.
I have had shitty experiences with Drs and nurses. My parents have. My friends have. It wouldn't even cross my mind to think it was the entire NHS at fault.

I believe that every child has a right to a decent education.

Then you are outraged by how it has been systematically underfunded by the conservative government this last decade? The OP asks about teacher redundancies. Schools have had to lay off an incredible amount of school staff because of the cuts to school funding. Office staff and teaching assistants were the first to go, but also teachers, especially in non-core subjects. Many schools have reduced their curriculum offer, stopping running less popular GCSEs and A-levels because they simply can’t afford to. Some schools have been managing out experienced teachers and replacing them with NQTs simply because they’re cheaper.

Teacher supply is in crisis and the govt has failed to meet its recruitment targets for years. Schools are sometimes faced with the choice of a completely unsuitable teacher (possibly unqualified) in front of a class or no teacher at all.

Students with SEN have been particularly abandoned by this govt, but also children with mental health difficulties due to massive cuts to services like CAMHS.

The school estate is crumbling and requires billions of investment to get it up to standard, but one of the first things the Tories did was cancel the school rebuilding program.

Let’s have lots of threads outraged about that, yes?

@notevenat20 are you annoyed with all people who were able to stay at home on full pay during lockdown whilst you had to work or just teachers? Are your children back in school? Do you tell the teachers how rubbish you think they are?

“Or has an agenda.

Not at all suspicious that when nearly 2000 MNetters voted on my thread that the govt have fucked up the re-opening of schools that a thread criticising teachers for lockdown provision would pop up. Let’s try and keep the public against teachers, right?

We know the govt spend the entire summer whipping up anti-teacher sentiment in a fake war against the unions.”

I was being slow off the mark, it’s obvious now and makes perfect sense as to why it’s ramped up. Shame so many are clearly buying into it. As I said in another thread, the Government have done an amazing job of turning us all against each other. I think that when social historians look at this period including Brexit that will be one of the key themes they look at.

So you stir the pot if you want, but bear in mind there are good, experienced teacher like me reading this. Honestly, we could do without this shit just now.

I take your point and more less said this above. It’s very unfair on people like you. Maybe the nation just needs an apology.

On that note, the good primary we moved DC to more or less did this. They sent an email early in the Summer saying they hadn’t done a good enough job during lockdown and were planning for how to do it better if there were a next time. God bless them.

I take your point and more less said this above. It’s very unfair on people like you. Maybe the nation just needs an apology

“It” is not unfair on teachers like me and every teacher I know. You are being unfair.

The nation needs an apology? From who?

God op are you not bored of your own bullshit yet. In all jobs there were people that worked and potentially didn't work well during a pandemic that changed peoples life so dramatically. I really think you need to get to some kind of place where your rage is let go off. Maybe some yoga. You are showing yourself up frankly. As are all the other posters whingeing on about family members that are pretend teachers according to anonymous posters on the Internet. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

So you stir the pot if you want, but bear in mind there are good, experienced teacher like me reading this. Honestly, we could do without this shit just now.

I didn’t see that. Can you give a link?

Everyone loves teachers normally. The problem is the disgraceful way some schools have acted this year combined with the self righteous self justification. If you are a working mother at home with two primary aged children trying not to get fired and getting nothing from the school, you can see why resentment builds up.

They can't be made redundant for not working during lockdown, redundancy implies that they are no longer needed and I think it's highly unlikely that a class teacher is going to be no longer needed unless 30 children suddenly all leave (primary) or 30 children all suddenly drop a subject (secondary).

If there is genuinely a redundancy situation for a teacher then they wouldn't have been needed during lockdown.

God op are you not bored of your own bullshit yet. In all jobs there were people that worked and potentially didn't work well during a pandemic that changed peoples life so dramatically.

If I don’t work, I get fired.

Studiously ignoring my posts about how the govt have destroyed state education I see, noteven

Such a surprise.

I didn’t see that. Can you give a link?

What?

If there is genuinely a redundancy situation for a teacher then they wouldn't have been needed during lockdown.

Yes I used the wrong word, sort of. It was in reference to a post by a private school teacher. I guess they could reduce the number of pupils at a private school in a way a state school can’t.

How’s it been?

@FoolsAssassin

“Or has an agenda.

Not at all suspicious that when nearly 2000 MNetters voted on my thread that the govt have fucked up the re-opening of schools that a thread criticising teachers for lockdown provision would pop up. Let’s try and keep the public against teachers, right?

We know the govt spend the entire summer whipping up anti-teacher sentiment in a fake war against the unions.”

I was being slow off the mark, it’s obvious now and makes perfect sense as to why it’s ramped up. Shame so many are clearly buying into it. As I said in another thread, the Government have done an amazing job of turning us all against each other. I think that when social historians look at this period including Brexit that will be one of the key themes they look at.

You have a very good point. In person I have never come across such hatred for a profession but online it's mad. I really don't understand how teachers are the focus of so much anger. If I have an issue with anything my children's school are doing I deal directly with them. I don't assume that all teachers everywhere are to blame or guilty of the same.

Studiously ignoring my posts about how the govt have destroyed state education I see, noteven

Actually that is one of my favourite topics :). Just limited time.

@BunsyGirl your brother is a disgrace, but there are always some who don't pull their weight in any job. He deserves to be sacked.

Every teacher I know worked tirelessly through lockdown. I can't even be bothered to list the things that were done above and beyond their normal remit.

If I have an issue with anything my children's school are doing I deal directly with them. I don't assume that all teachers everywhere are to blame or guilty of the same.

I definitely don’t think that all teachers are to blame. I said exactly that above.

The fact that you can approach your school with any problems marks it out as a good school. We are not all so lucky sadly.

Actually that is one of my favourite topics smile. Just limited time

Enough time to be part of whipping up resentment for teachers.

I do believe the head sets the tone but I am not sure the head exactly said you must e.g, shield and then you would be excused from all work (on full pay). I guess they just let them get away with it.

You're completely wrong. Heads don't just 'set the tone'. The Head and governors decide the policy, the teachers do as they are told. End of story. What on earth would be the purpose of making teachers redundant for doing what they were instructed to do

It's almost as if you think teacher redundancies should be imposed as a punishment, or as private sector workers' revenge on them, which is frankly hilarious. Who is going to teach children if teachers are made redundant? There already aren't enough teachers. 'Redundant' means 'not needed'. Teachers are very much needed. Sorry if you're pissed off that some of them (probably not that many) were paid for 6 months for doing little or no work.... But essentially, tough luck. They did what they were told to do.

Every teacher I know worked tirelessly through lockdown. I can't even be bothered to list the things that were done above and beyond their normal remit.

About half of the teachers I know did. A national survey would be very interesting.

It's almost as if you think teacher redundancies should be imposed as a punishment, or as private sector workers' revenge on them, which is frankly hilarious.

My question was about the similarities and difference between private and state schools to do your full job during lockdown.