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Warrington. Unofficial Lockdown Request.

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RedToothBrush · 15/09/2020 11:39

I'm posting this here, as it seems to have been missed by just about every news outlet out there and although I've touched on this on other threads and been asked a bit about it, I thought it probably merited its own thread now.

There is a growing problem in the area which should be of real concern to everyone due to the degree that its been under the radar.

Last night the council issued a request to be stricter than the official Rule of Six if you live in the borough

Warrington Borough Council @WarringtonBC
Please don't visit other households unless you need to. With case numbers rising rapidly, and steeply, over the last few weeks, we all need to play our part to stop the spread of the virus:
www.warrington.gov.uk/news/warrington-residents-urged-not-visit-other-households?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SocialSignIn&utm_content=COVID-19

In a bid to contain the transmission of coronavirus, and to help drive down the number of cases in the town, Warrington’s Public Health leaders are appealing to residents not to visit other households.

Case numbers in Warrington have risen rapidly, and steeply, over the last couple of weeks and residents are being urged to play their part, now, to avoid the risk of the town going into a local lockdown. Confirmed cases in the most recent verified seven-day period are now over 200.

There is clear evidence to show that households are the most likely setting for the virus to spread, so residents should avoid visiting other people at home, including visiting people in private gardens, unless you have formed a household support bubble. People can meet outdoors in open, public spaces as long as they follow the new ‘rule of six’ – that is, a maximum of six people can meet from multiple households, as long as they continue to socially distance themselves from one another. But Warrington residents are being urged not to visit other people at home if they don’t need to – both inside and outside the borough.

This decision will be kept under constant review, but a formal assessment will be made in three weeks’ time, on 5 October.

A bit of background to this:

It's currently the 6th Worst Place in England for new infections within the last 7 days rolling period. Yesterday the rate was 98.1 per 100,000. On 2nd September it was 9 per 100,000. It was 2.9 the previous week. Cases have been low throughout the Summer despite being so close to Greater Manchester.

This spike seems to have been ignored / missed as a concern. Warrington didn't make last week's PHE areas of concern list. Nor has there been anything in the media about the sharp rise outside the local newspaper.

Whats particularly concerned is the spread of this and how there seems to be multiple outbreaks occuring. The rise in cases has affects all wards of the council. Initially cases seems to have started in the poorer north of the town (where the town centre is). Which is where you would expect to appear at least initially.

It needs to be pointed out here, that the town has recovered to pre-covid levels of footfall too - one of only 14 towns to do so.

The north is traditionally much much more deprieved than the south and the north and south are very socially divided with a 'them and us' mentality that stretches along the division of the Manchester Ship Canal. People don't mix too much socially between the two.

There are now numerous cases being reported in the much more rural and affluent wards of South Warrington. So it looks like its spread to different communities. There is a mentality that it was 'safe' in these wards because its more middle class, less densely populated etc etc.

It really goes against the stereotypes of where covid 'should be'.

The Chief Executive of the local NHS trust has sent out a daily update today to staff which a friend described as 'making for sobering reading' about the infection rate. Hospital admissions for covid are up too.

The focus in the media over the last few days has been about other areas 'which are the 10 worst affected' not being able to get hold of tests. Warrington wasn't one of these 10 worst affected listed despite its ranking in terms of new infections.

As Warrington isn't being seen as a problem, its not getting attention and there seems to be a particular shortage of testing in the northwest. There's a real struggle to get tested - people were being directed to Telford earlier in the week. There isn't a permenant testing site in the borough - only a shared mobile one with Halton which has moved throughout the summer - though the council are trying to sort this. Warrington, without Halton, has a population of 100,000. There are testing sites just outside the council area but its not helping the current situation.

Sky yesterday reported
Director of public health for Cheshire West and Chester, Ian Ashworth, said: "Additional testing capacity is essential to help prevent further spread of the virus in Cheshire and Merseyside but also the North West.

"Currently the North West region has 25% of the COVID-19 national cases and yet has access to only 15% of the national testing capacity."

And it seems that the known hot spots of Greater Manchester are getting most attention (and therefore priority).

No one wants to acknowledge the growing problem in Warrington. Its like its invisible.

I don't know if Warrington is unique or there are other similar areas which are currently under the radar - my suspicion is there are.

Its deeply frustrating that no one seems to be paying attention nor realising what is potentially starting to unfold. Its really reactionary and slow. And whilst this only will directly/indirectly affect the small number of posters who live there/have family or friends there, it should be something others are concerned about because it highlights how fast a picture can change and how unprepared a lot of areas seem for a fast change and how to cope with it.

The chances of the borough getting to the 5th October review without an intervention sooner at the rate cases are going up, seems slim.

I'm hoping that by starting a thread and screaming about it as loudly as possible, SOMEONE will start waking up SOMEWHERE and start asking the necessary relevant questions which are important to everyone no matter where they live.

These questions are about Warrington alone. They are about the wider implications of responsiveness and a lack of awareness of whats going on.

Warrington. Unofficial Lockdown Request.
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IHateCoronavirus · 16/09/2020 18:41

Hello local Mumsnetters 👋 another one here not surprised at the number of infections. It hasn’t really looked like lockdown here since schools opened up more widely in the summer term.
People definitely not taking it seriously. On the school run, school have makes out 2m intervals but big groups of parents/children stand squashed together in them, like chips in a chip barm, having a catch up before school. Then they congregate in yet more groups outside the school gates!

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2020 18:44

Local news reporting leaders of Cheshire and Liverpool health authorities have written to the government to demand an increase in testing capacity.

Liverpool's mayor seems to think that Friday is when a decision will be made.

I don't know why they are pissing about and don't just get on with it tbh.

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Bettyboxer · 16/09/2020 19:25

I feel very down at the thought of not being able to visit my mum and dad (we only ever sit in their garden socially distanced anyway). You only have to read the comments on the WG Facebook page though to see how many people are not following the guidelines. I go running and see large groups of people Socialising in parks (outside though so at least lower risk). Honestly think they should be doing more checks on certain pubs etc

Ginogineli · 16/09/2020 19:29

I don’t think it’ll make much diff tbh

I’m just outside liverpool but go daily (work there) and people just aren’t worried anymore

I don’t know anyone who is following the 6 rule, no one is distancing etc

I got train in Liverpool other day and I was only one in a packed carriage in a mask! And I thought I was relaxed about the virus!

Also there are actually very limited rules in the lockdown areas- shops and pubs open, gyms and sports classses still running and people can go out for school and work and use transport etc so don’t see it as much of a lockdown at all

Toomanyapplesinthefruitbowl · 16/09/2020 19:35

I’m surprised that we’re not already in local lockdown (I’m in west Lancs, but work in Sefton and Knowsley) - so far the Knowsley response has been that parents need to wear masks to school. That’s not enough of a change in my book! The Northwest is 100% being thrown under a bus at the moment

ShellsAndSunrises · 16/09/2020 20:55

Big lockdown expected across the North East on Friday, according to Sky - "An MP present at the meeting told Sky News that the areas affected are likely to be Newcastle, Northumberland, North Tyneside, South Tyneside, Gateshead, County Durham and Sunderland."

apple.news/AoWXGuLhtS5i6vRgpi2oqtg

Although you have to wonder whether it'll be a harsh lockdown, like Leicester seemed to have, or the toothless version Birmingham currently has. I know a fair few people who had been really cautious about life overall in Solihull/Birmingham who are now meeting with family/friends in restaurants because you can still legally do that, even ones who were refusing to be inside with anyone since lockdown ended. It seems nuts.

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2020 21:06

inews.co.uk/news/politics/warrington-covid-19-cases-rise-tests-nhs-unavailable-local-lockdown-648437
Warrington is the latest area where Covid-19 cases are rising fast, but tests are often nowhere to be found
Warrington had one of the lowest infection rates in the country in the summer, but cases have quadrupled in the last week and it now has the sixth highest in England

“The case rate has quadrupled in a week, I am not exaggerating,” Director of Public Health at Warrington Council, Thara Raj, said. “And if we are set to quadruple again in a week’s time we will have overtaken Bolton and that is really worrying.”

She said it has been difficult to pinpoint the exact cause of the sudden spike in cases and puts it down to a combination factors, including people returning to work and increased socialising. There have also been several incidents involving specific venues where there have been outbreaks.

One popular pub became a source of several cases of the virus and was only discovered when one asymptomatic person who attended happened to get a test ahead of a routine procedure. When additional testing resources were brought in to the area at the time to counter the small outbreak, the Government website was still directing people out of Warrington to get tests.

“When we got wind of this outbreak I called an incident meeting … and we agreed to divert the mobile testing unit to Warrington in order to help because we thought people who had visited may be getting symptom,” Ms Raj said.

“And again the national algorithm sent them off to everywhere but Warrington. So we diverted a precious national resource to Warrington to help with a particular outbreak situation and yet people were still struggling to get a test locally.”

The huge spike in cases may still not be telling the full story as local leaders are hearing repeatedly from people who are unable to get hold of a test at all.

The data for community testing (Pillar 2) showed there were about 200 carried out a day in Warrington in July, which increased to 400 in August. So far during September, the average number of pillar 2 tests conducted on a daily basis has increased to almost 700 tests. There is not data available to show how many people applied for a test but were unsuccessful.

“I am being told personally by people that they can’t get hold of tests or appointments and it’s pre-booked appointments only – we have not been allowed to promote any walk-ins,” she said. “It is worrisome and I’m guessing that there are more outbreaks out there that are not being reported because people don’t know that they have got symptoms.”

This is really troubling. Leicester's problem was missed for a long time because the local council weren't getting the data on the pillar 2 tests.

In this case, it looks like a lack of availability of pillar 2 testing may be hiding something. The demand for tests was going up significantly BEFORE the schools went back.

This story seems to suggest that the shared mobile testing centre wasn't working too as the government system wasn't directing locals to the centre - even when it was moved back to Warrington (from Halton) after an outbreak was picked up by pure chance (which also suggests widespread undetected community spread).

The whole things just seems to confirm my suspicion that Warrington has had a woeful level of testing provision for a town of its size - and close proximity to Greater Manchester which was already a hot spot.

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Toomanyapplesinthefruitbowl · 16/09/2020 21:12

I see Sefton have set up their own mobile testing unit with it’s own designated phone number to make appointments - they’ve decided to ditch the national system to try and solve it locally

Toomanyapplesinthefruitbowl · 16/09/2020 21:14

I also think there’s been a woeful lack of understanding of how interconnected the northwest is in terms of movement of people. Locking down greater Manchester and expecting it not to spread out to the surrounding areas was absurd

Potplant · 16/09/2020 21:19

Not Warrington but not far and I didn’t know about this. I can’t believe there’s no testing site, Halton has got two and it covers a much smaller area.

pussycatinboots · 16/09/2020 21:36

Thanks for the links - I'm in Cheshire East and also feel rather cast adrift when it comes to "local" news.

Ginogineli · 16/09/2020 22:09

Too many

Most of lancs does I think

Skem Preston Lancaster have been having pop ups for weeks now

TokyoSushi · 16/09/2020 22:26

A lot of the focus on tonight's news seems to have shifted to the North East, so we remain relatively under the radar it would seem, other than a 1 second mention as one of the areas people have been struggling to get tests.

TokyoSushi · 16/09/2020 22:26

A lot of the focus on tonight's news seems to have shifted to the North East, so we remain relatively under the radar it would seem, other than a 1 second mention as one of the areas people have been struggling to get tests.

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2020 22:38

TBF the North East have gone under the radar in a similar way to Warrington and it should be getting more attention than it has. I'm not disheartened by the shift for that reason.

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TokyoSushi · 16/09/2020 22:48

Agreed. It looks like we're not the only place where the numbers are creeping up.

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2020 23:13

Whoop whoop!

A static testing site is apparently happening.

www.cheshire-live.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/warrington-health-chief-warns-local-18942524

Mrs Raj stated that a static testing centre in Warrington was expected to be in place by Friday, September 25.

So it STILL might not be ready for another week.

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ceeveebee · 16/09/2020 23:17

I do find it staggering there there are so many places with a rate above 50/100,000 that haven’t been put into local restrictions. The rates in GM were nowhere near as high as this when we were locked down (and in Trafford, where I am, we are way down the list at about 70th in the country but we are under restrictions)

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2020 23:31

@ceeveebee

I do find it staggering there there are so many places with a rate above 50/100,000 that haven’t been put into local restrictions. The rates in GM were nowhere near as high as this when we were locked down (and in Trafford, where I am, we are way down the list at about 70th in the country but we are under restrictions)
I absolutely agree.

I also think that reflects how quickly the rates have gone up.

Warrington wasn't even on a watch list last week (even though it should have been) and is likely to be in lockdown tomorrow.

It has to be stressed that on the 2nd September Warrington's rate was 9 per 100,000. The data for the 12th just ten days later puts it on 105 per 100,000.

Either its gone up astromonically or theres been a large undetected outbreak for a while. The former explanation is scarier but the latter points to more mismanagement in testing policy. Its probably a bit of both tbh, but yes i think people in Trafford have good cause to feel pretty pissed off.

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TokyoSushi · 17/09/2020 12:53

This seems to be the new list, published an hour ago, we're now at position 10.

www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/18727622.latest-figures-confirmed-coronavirus-cases-warrington/?fbclid=IwAR3B_Kfv9CWldn7rd5dcURLOqhNXnnKT8g8N4wxBI70OZH9WPh4SP3eQcEA

According to this list, we seem to be higher than the areas in NE that are going into local lockdown...

RedToothBrush · 17/09/2020 13:28

Matt Hancock's speech to the commons about the ne lockdown said that we have to follow the data and the data shows that there is need for a local lockdown. But this came after each of the councils supported by local mps proactively requested a local lockdown.

So this leaves me completely bewildered by the situation in Warrington and surrounding areas.

What is the data saying there?

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Heffalooomia · 17/09/2020 13:36

the crux of the matter surely is the conflict of interest between keeping the economy going and stopping people from catching the virus
The two things are mutually incompatible

Heffalooomia · 17/09/2020 13:39

once we accept that this is a long-term situation the only way forward will be to restructure our economic activities such that transmission of the virus does not occur
This could lead to a massive redistribution of wealth and reduction in global warming because travel will be massively curtailed
What's not to like?

MummyPop00 · 17/09/2020 13:45

Lockdowns are bollox. Merely delaying the inevitable as far as I see. As long as you don’t have uniformity of purpose among the population, they are doomed to fail.

But meanwhile the tab for persuing this experiment in pandemic control grows ever larger.

TokyoSushi · 17/09/2020 13:50

It's very odd. Unless I'm reading the data incorrectly, it says to me that we definitely need a local lockdown, and quite a severe one at that and so does Liverpool. Whenever the NW is mentioned, Warrington is skirted over and completely ignored.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to over dramatise the situation or create hysteria. It just seems very strange that it's being largely ignored and we don't even seem to be on the reader. I don't want a local lockdown either (I don't want an election, you don't want an election anybody?!) But I'm just concerned that our numbers are terrible, and one day somebody is going to wake up and say 'Oh Shit, look at Warrington!' and by then it will be too late.

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