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Warrington. Unofficial Lockdown Request.

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RedToothBrush · 15/09/2020 11:39

I'm posting this here, as it seems to have been missed by just about every news outlet out there and although I've touched on this on other threads and been asked a bit about it, I thought it probably merited its own thread now.

There is a growing problem in the area which should be of real concern to everyone due to the degree that its been under the radar.

Last night the council issued a request to be stricter than the official Rule of Six if you live in the borough

Warrington Borough Council @WarringtonBC
Please don't visit other households unless you need to. With case numbers rising rapidly, and steeply, over the last few weeks, we all need to play our part to stop the spread of the virus:
www.warrington.gov.uk/news/warrington-residents-urged-not-visit-other-households?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SocialSignIn&utm_content=COVID-19

In a bid to contain the transmission of coronavirus, and to help drive down the number of cases in the town, Warrington’s Public Health leaders are appealing to residents not to visit other households.

Case numbers in Warrington have risen rapidly, and steeply, over the last couple of weeks and residents are being urged to play their part, now, to avoid the risk of the town going into a local lockdown. Confirmed cases in the most recent verified seven-day period are now over 200.

There is clear evidence to show that households are the most likely setting for the virus to spread, so residents should avoid visiting other people at home, including visiting people in private gardens, unless you have formed a household support bubble. People can meet outdoors in open, public spaces as long as they follow the new ‘rule of six’ – that is, a maximum of six people can meet from multiple households, as long as they continue to socially distance themselves from one another. But Warrington residents are being urged not to visit other people at home if they don’t need to – both inside and outside the borough.

This decision will be kept under constant review, but a formal assessment will be made in three weeks’ time, on 5 October.

A bit of background to this:

It's currently the 6th Worst Place in England for new infections within the last 7 days rolling period. Yesterday the rate was 98.1 per 100,000. On 2nd September it was 9 per 100,000. It was 2.9 the previous week. Cases have been low throughout the Summer despite being so close to Greater Manchester.

This spike seems to have been ignored / missed as a concern. Warrington didn't make last week's PHE areas of concern list. Nor has there been anything in the media about the sharp rise outside the local newspaper.

Whats particularly concerned is the spread of this and how there seems to be multiple outbreaks occuring. The rise in cases has affects all wards of the council. Initially cases seems to have started in the poorer north of the town (where the town centre is). Which is where you would expect to appear at least initially.

It needs to be pointed out here, that the town has recovered to pre-covid levels of footfall too - one of only 14 towns to do so.

The north is traditionally much much more deprieved than the south and the north and south are very socially divided with a 'them and us' mentality that stretches along the division of the Manchester Ship Canal. People don't mix too much socially between the two.

There are now numerous cases being reported in the much more rural and affluent wards of South Warrington. So it looks like its spread to different communities. There is a mentality that it was 'safe' in these wards because its more middle class, less densely populated etc etc.

It really goes against the stereotypes of where covid 'should be'.

The Chief Executive of the local NHS trust has sent out a daily update today to staff which a friend described as 'making for sobering reading' about the infection rate. Hospital admissions for covid are up too.

The focus in the media over the last few days has been about other areas 'which are the 10 worst affected' not being able to get hold of tests. Warrington wasn't one of these 10 worst affected listed despite its ranking in terms of new infections.

As Warrington isn't being seen as a problem, its not getting attention and there seems to be a particular shortage of testing in the northwest. There's a real struggle to get tested - people were being directed to Telford earlier in the week. There isn't a permenant testing site in the borough - only a shared mobile one with Halton which has moved throughout the summer - though the council are trying to sort this. Warrington, without Halton, has a population of 100,000. There are testing sites just outside the council area but its not helping the current situation.

Sky yesterday reported
Director of public health for Cheshire West and Chester, Ian Ashworth, said: "Additional testing capacity is essential to help prevent further spread of the virus in Cheshire and Merseyside but also the North West.

"Currently the North West region has 25% of the COVID-19 national cases and yet has access to only 15% of the national testing capacity."

And it seems that the known hot spots of Greater Manchester are getting most attention (and therefore priority).

No one wants to acknowledge the growing problem in Warrington. Its like its invisible.

I don't know if Warrington is unique or there are other similar areas which are currently under the radar - my suspicion is there are.

Its deeply frustrating that no one seems to be paying attention nor realising what is potentially starting to unfold. Its really reactionary and slow. And whilst this only will directly/indirectly affect the small number of posters who live there/have family or friends there, it should be something others are concerned about because it highlights how fast a picture can change and how unprepared a lot of areas seem for a fast change and how to cope with it.

The chances of the borough getting to the 5th October review without an intervention sooner at the rate cases are going up, seems slim.

I'm hoping that by starting a thread and screaming about it as loudly as possible, SOMEONE will start waking up SOMEWHERE and start asking the necessary relevant questions which are important to everyone no matter where they live.

These questions are about Warrington alone. They are about the wider implications of responsiveness and a lack of awareness of whats going on.

Warrington. Unofficial Lockdown Request.
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RedToothBrush · 15/09/2020 13:08

In fairness I don't believe there is currently any problem with home food deliveries in Warrington. Even when a lot of places were having problems with it when demand was at its height, it was possible to get a home delivery in at least parts of the town even if you weren't classed as a priority. By virtue of the town being heavy on logistics and distribution companies and workers it did well for that sort of thing compared with other places.

I don't know anyone who had particular problems on that front and they were sharing info on who had slots available.

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pussycatinboots · 15/09/2020 13:14

Red Warrington MP just asked Matt Hancock a Question - check on iplayer - he's loosely promised extra testing.🤷🏻‍♀️

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10storeylovesong · 15/09/2020 14:15

Newton le willows is actually higher than Bolton in a case by 100,000 basis. There's another 2 mobile stations booked for tomorrow and Thursday. The only reason we're not in local lockdown is that the rest of St Helens is fairly low (so far) and pulling down the average stats and lockdown are by a Borough by Borough basis. I anticipate we'll be in lockdown in 1 - 2 weeks.

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Sunshinespacecadet · 15/09/2020 17:01

Thanks for highlighting this. Warrington and surrounding areas have definitely been off the radar

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RedToothBrush · 15/09/2020 18:02

The BBC finally reported this on its website at 3pm

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-54165082
Coronavirus: Warrington Council makes 'don't visit other homes' plea

Its properly hidden away though.

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FlipperSkipper · 15/09/2020 18:09

I’m from NLW and the local figures are ridiculous but I can see why. Social distancing has been forgotten and everyone is piling around like normal. We need a local lockdown to get people to take it seriously again.

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Fatted · 15/09/2020 18:12

Said it before, say it again. The SE gets hammered with cases and the entire country has to go into lockdown. NW gets battered and the government doesn't give a shit.

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RepeatSwan · 15/09/2020 18:18

[quote MummyPop00]@Kassandra1

If you are in a shielding category, nobody is stopping you from shielding are they?[/quote]
Hmm apart from work and school

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Dinnerfor1 · 15/09/2020 19:14

@RedToothBrush

The BBC finally reported this on its website at 3pm

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-54165082
Coronavirus: Warrington Council makes 'don't visit other homes' plea

Its properly hidden away though.

I emailed BBC North West at 2:15pm to complain about the lack of coverage, so I’ll take credit for it finally being mentioned Grin
They replied to say that they had mentioned Warrington in the round up last night and that they would be doing more on it. But this evening Warrington was mentioned for about 15 seconds in the middle of a general report on testing. I’m really not impressed, as currently unless people use social media and follow the local newspaper, they won’t have a clue that Warrington is doing so badly.
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Bettyboxer · 15/09/2020 19:36

NC as from Warrington and it’s a bit outing! But I’m so worried. We were so low locally numbers wise throughout - really felt like as a town we were coping. I just don’t understand really what has gone so wrong. I saw the MP for North Warrington asked Matt Hancock a question in the Commons today about extra testing capacity for Warrington given the situation. She got a vague promise of help - we will see.

Apparently certain pubs are packed as if as normal - but that is just hearsay as I haven’t actually been the pub!

The last time I braved town on a weekend I vowed I wasn’t going again as it was so busy I didn’t feel comfortable. It’s really worrying.

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RedToothBrush · 15/09/2020 19:39

But this evening Warrington was mentioned for about 15 seconds in the middle of a general report on testing

15 seconds?

You are being generous there (and im not exaggerating!). Cough once and you'll have missed it.

Officially up to 105 cases per 100,000 on 7 day rolling count. But Warrington have slipped to 9th in the league table (everywhere else higher is in special measures).

I've mentioned to a few people today about the council advice. Its drawn a total blank and 'but i dont read the local paper'. They have, however, cancelled plans thinking the better of it under the circumstances. (This is good but sucks).

No one has an effing clue whats going on!

I feel like im the social media version of a doom mongering, misery spreading town crier warning of the coming of the bloody plague!

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RedToothBrush · 15/09/2020 19:45

@Bettyboxer

NC as from Warrington and it’s a bit outing! But I’m so worried. We were so low locally numbers wise throughout - really felt like as a town we were coping. I just don’t understand really what has gone so wrong. I saw the MP for North Warrington asked Matt Hancock a question in the Commons today about extra testing capacity for Warrington given the situation. She got a vague promise of help - we will see.

Apparently certain pubs are packed as if as normal - but that is just hearsay as I haven’t actually been the pub!

The last time I braved town on a weekend I vowed I wasn’t going again as it was so busy I didn’t feel comfortable. It’s really worrying.

Trafford centre on a Saturday morning is unusually and surprisingly quiet if that helps though theres a still a lot of mask conspiracists out, breathing...

I believe a lot of footfall from south Warrington that would normally go to centre manchester or the TC has been going to Warrington with its shiny new market (that the council are so proud of and keen to promote).

Fwiw I'm finding everything is significantly quieter before noon, if i do need to go anywhere or do anything because its substantially better and those out seem more observant of rules too.
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Bettyboxer · 15/09/2020 19:52

I have been the Trafford Centre once but the lack of mask wearing really bothered me!

I definitely am on the cautious side of things anyway and did stick to the guidelines but since schools went back have cut back on everything bar a weekly brew in my parents garden! I’ll be so upset if this becomes against the rules. I do think we are heading for a local lockdown sadly.

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BringBiscuits · 15/09/2020 19:56
  • Fatted
    Said it before, say it again. The SE gets hammered with cases and the entire country has to go into lockdown. NW gets battered and the government doesn't give a shit.*

    This is so true.

    Boris wouldn’t know where the likes of Warrington even is so why would he care about the people who live there?
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Dinnerfor1 · 15/09/2020 20:00

15 seconds?

You are being generous there (and im not exaggerating!). Cough once and you'll have missed it.


Very true, I was being generous! I think if you weren’t listening out for it you would have completely missed it. I feel Warrington is just being completely ignored, like some forgotten town.

We had just starting venturing out more. My daughter was on the shielding list and we’d been so cautious but were finally starting to feel like we could do more than just go for a walk. My daughter has now been moved from the shielding list to ‘moderate risk’ but I’m still feeling anxious. I’d feel better if I knew that people locally were aware of the situation and likely to follow the councils advice, but they really aren’t.

Cases have been rising at Warrington Hospital as well, so bizarre for someone to see the rising cases in Warrington as a good thing...

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ConcernedAboutWarrington · 15/09/2020 20:22

NC for this.

I'm in a neighbouring borough. I have the terrible cold, managed to get a test yesterday after trying all day.

Warrington is very peculiar in that not only is it a 'town of two halves' as @RedToothBrush has said, but it's in a sort of geo-political no-man's land. It's not really Cheshire, not really Merseyside, not really Greater Manchester, and tags on to all three of them (or none) in all sorts of public health and other public policy issues. I don't think it has much of an identity at all nationally, other than it's a growing area for distribution-type businesses.

Therefore it's off the radar. It's just a northern-town-could-be-anywhere. Not a really diverse population. Not the most economically deprived population. No real beauty spots of note in the town, no real current famous people.

I think this is it. In a world of headlines and tweets and graphs it's just forgotten.

Despite the fact that it, and surrounding areas, are populated by hundreds of thousands of 'ordinary' people.

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ConcernedAboutWarrington · 15/09/2020 20:25

And a quick derail hello to @RedToothBrush - I've been an avid follower of Westminstenders and never knew you were local (ish)! waves

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GaryWilmottsTeeth · 16/09/2020 08:46

All very interesting, if somewhat depressing. My D.C. stayed with their grandparents in South Warrington last weekend. DS is now coughing....

I had no idea about the cases increasing there. Once again RedToothBrush is a provider of excellent and useful information.

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RedToothBrush · 16/09/2020 10:27

So the latest data is only up to 12th September. Its now the 16th. I think its fairly safe to assume cases are increasing at a rate of knots especially given no one can get a test.

There is STILL no permanent testing site in the town.

This is from the local paper today on that subject:
www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/18722858.happened-tried-book-coronavirus-test/
What happened when we tried to book a coronavirus test

Mobile testing units have been set up in Warrington and Halton, while health chiefs are looking to meet the demand for testing with a permanent test centre in Warrington town centre.

There has also been a drive-thru testing facility at Haydock Park Racecourse since April, as well as at Liverpool John Lennon Airport and in Trafford.

But how easy is it to book a test?

Guardian readers have been outlining the difficulties they have faced in acquiring a test in the comments section of our Facebook page.

The newspaper then tried to book a test:

We too tried to book a test but encountered the same problems. After numerous attempts on Monday and Tuesday, all we had to show was a message saying ‘this service is currently very busy’.

We were told that more tests should be available later and asked to try again in a few hours, but we were unable to book a test throughout the day.

So Warrington has slipped down the rankings to 9th, but has less capacity for testing compared to the known hotspots on the list so potentially has many more people running around with covid undetected.

And STILL its not in special localised messures.

I am tempted to ask for a sweep stake for the rate per 100,000 on the day local down actually happens (as in the data for that actual day not the data release for the 4 days previously when the local down is announced).

God knows what the rate for the 16th (today) will be by the time its released. It seems that PHE will only put somewhere on a watch list on a Friday so if they miss you on the previous Wednesday when they make decision theres a delay of 10 days where no one notices or gives a toss.

And because we've slipped 'down the rankings' there seems to be a minimisation of the issue by the local paper. Check out the website link and how its worded

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TokyoSushi · 16/09/2020 10:48

@RedToothBrush Where can I find the league table (of doom) online? Mainly so I can start obsessively checking our position!

Still all very quiet here in terms of any preventative measures, there was another FB post from the council this morning about not visiting other houses, or having people to yours, but they are as usual met with a tirade of posts claiming to be scaremongering and 'we won't be told what to do.' I feel the same as you, like a miserable Town Cryer, most people that I speak to have no idea what's going on, except that they have this terrible cold, and I only ever bring bad news, be it about this, or Brexit!

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RedToothBrush · 16/09/2020 10:58

www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/18724200.221-new-cases-coronavirus-warrington-past-week/

League table of doom.

Its based on the same data as the arcgis uses. (Just updated at different times).

I have concerns about whats going on in the north east particularly around Sunderland. They have locked down care homes already there and i suspect more is to come there very soon.

My gut feeling is that Warrington, Halton and St Helens will go into formal lockdown at the same time - possibly along with other parts of Merseyside (although the problem isnt quite so bad there yet).

I think that its now likely before the weekend but fuck knows. Warrington should already be in special measures given its proximity and ties to Greater Manchester given how numbers have been spiralling.

(It doesn't help when the Manchester Evening News has been running articles for weeks about 'what you can do during local lockdown - and then giving ideas for meals and days out in neighbouring non-Greater Manchester areas for weeks! Which has kinda annoyed me)

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TokyoSushi · 16/09/2020 12:35
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RedToothBrush · 16/09/2020 12:40

OOOO you can submit your own questions!

How about, "What is the point of a voluntary lock down when no one knows about it and its only be publicised via the local newspaper which has a very low readership? How do you intend to inform the rest of the boroughs residents when even the BBC only mentioned in, passing for 5 seconds last night? Do you think a proper media and publicity strategy might be appropriate? Or are you just flaming useless idiots?"

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RedToothBrush · 16/09/2020 12:46

Or

"You've been trying to set up a permanent testing site in the town for about a month or so. How long does it actually take to organise? Do you think this lack of testing site has contributed to the rise in cases suddenly seemingly appearing from nowhere?"

Or

"Do you think you have something of a conflict of interests in the promotion of the new Market in which the council is heavily financially invested and announcing a formal lockdown? Is this why the cases per 100,000 is over 100 and there are still no plans for a formal local lockdown".

Or

"Why aren't school closures being reported on the council website for public transparency and accountability?"

Or

"Do you think a formal review only being scheduled on 5th October is bloody laughable?"

Or simply

"At what point does the council intend to get off sitting on its hands and remove its head from its arse?"

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Sunshinespacecadet · 16/09/2020 13:18

I live in Appleton South Warrington and pretty sure I had the virus in March but no tests available then. I’m normally fit with no pre existing medical conditions. I struggled with breathlessness, temperature, sore throat, pains in chest, head and ears, fatigue and aching muscles. I eventually contacted my GP and was referred for X-ray which revealed pneumonia and blood test which revealed very low T lymphocytes. The GP concluded that the clinical picture seemed like I’d had CV 19.
I’ve heard since a man from Appleton died in ICU after being diagnosed with the virus in March. I used to see him in the gym every morning. He also was fit and well prior to Coronavirus. The virus was definitely simmering in this area early March. I can’t believe how Warrington is being ignored

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