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Warrington. Unofficial Lockdown Request.

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RedToothBrush · 15/09/2020 11:39

I'm posting this here, as it seems to have been missed by just about every news outlet out there and although I've touched on this on other threads and been asked a bit about it, I thought it probably merited its own thread now.

There is a growing problem in the area which should be of real concern to everyone due to the degree that its been under the radar.

Last night the council issued a request to be stricter than the official Rule of Six if you live in the borough

Warrington Borough Council @WarringtonBC
Please don't visit other households unless you need to. With case numbers rising rapidly, and steeply, over the last few weeks, we all need to play our part to stop the spread of the virus:
www.warrington.gov.uk/news/warrington-residents-urged-not-visit-other-households?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SocialSignIn&utm_content=COVID-19

In a bid to contain the transmission of coronavirus, and to help drive down the number of cases in the town, Warrington’s Public Health leaders are appealing to residents not to visit other households.

Case numbers in Warrington have risen rapidly, and steeply, over the last couple of weeks and residents are being urged to play their part, now, to avoid the risk of the town going into a local lockdown. Confirmed cases in the most recent verified seven-day period are now over 200.

There is clear evidence to show that households are the most likely setting for the virus to spread, so residents should avoid visiting other people at home, including visiting people in private gardens, unless you have formed a household support bubble. People can meet outdoors in open, public spaces as long as they follow the new ‘rule of six’ – that is, a maximum of six people can meet from multiple households, as long as they continue to socially distance themselves from one another. But Warrington residents are being urged not to visit other people at home if they don’t need to – both inside and outside the borough.

This decision will be kept under constant review, but a formal assessment will be made in three weeks’ time, on 5 October.

A bit of background to this:

It's currently the 6th Worst Place in England for new infections within the last 7 days rolling period. Yesterday the rate was 98.1 per 100,000. On 2nd September it was 9 per 100,000. It was 2.9 the previous week. Cases have been low throughout the Summer despite being so close to Greater Manchester.

This spike seems to have been ignored / missed as a concern. Warrington didn't make last week's PHE areas of concern list. Nor has there been anything in the media about the sharp rise outside the local newspaper.

Whats particularly concerned is the spread of this and how there seems to be multiple outbreaks occuring. The rise in cases has affects all wards of the council. Initially cases seems to have started in the poorer north of the town (where the town centre is). Which is where you would expect to appear at least initially.

It needs to be pointed out here, that the town has recovered to pre-covid levels of footfall too - one of only 14 towns to do so.

The north is traditionally much much more deprieved than the south and the north and south are very socially divided with a 'them and us' mentality that stretches along the division of the Manchester Ship Canal. People don't mix too much socially between the two.

There are now numerous cases being reported in the much more rural and affluent wards of South Warrington. So it looks like its spread to different communities. There is a mentality that it was 'safe' in these wards because its more middle class, less densely populated etc etc.

It really goes against the stereotypes of where covid 'should be'.

The Chief Executive of the local NHS trust has sent out a daily update today to staff which a friend described as 'making for sobering reading' about the infection rate. Hospital admissions for covid are up too.

The focus in the media over the last few days has been about other areas 'which are the 10 worst affected' not being able to get hold of tests. Warrington wasn't one of these 10 worst affected listed despite its ranking in terms of new infections.

As Warrington isn't being seen as a problem, its not getting attention and there seems to be a particular shortage of testing in the northwest. There's a real struggle to get tested - people were being directed to Telford earlier in the week. There isn't a permenant testing site in the borough - only a shared mobile one with Halton which has moved throughout the summer - though the council are trying to sort this. Warrington, without Halton, has a population of 100,000. There are testing sites just outside the council area but its not helping the current situation.

Sky yesterday reported
Director of public health for Cheshire West and Chester, Ian Ashworth, said: "Additional testing capacity is essential to help prevent further spread of the virus in Cheshire and Merseyside but also the North West.

"Currently the North West region has 25% of the COVID-19 national cases and yet has access to only 15% of the national testing capacity."

And it seems that the known hot spots of Greater Manchester are getting most attention (and therefore priority).

No one wants to acknowledge the growing problem in Warrington. Its like its invisible.

I don't know if Warrington is unique or there are other similar areas which are currently under the radar - my suspicion is there are.

Its deeply frustrating that no one seems to be paying attention nor realising what is potentially starting to unfold. Its really reactionary and slow. And whilst this only will directly/indirectly affect the small number of posters who live there/have family or friends there, it should be something others are concerned about because it highlights how fast a picture can change and how unprepared a lot of areas seem for a fast change and how to cope with it.

The chances of the borough getting to the 5th October review without an intervention sooner at the rate cases are going up, seems slim.

I'm hoping that by starting a thread and screaming about it as loudly as possible, SOMEONE will start waking up SOMEWHERE and start asking the necessary relevant questions which are important to everyone no matter where they live.

These questions are about Warrington alone. They are about the wider implications of responsiveness and a lack of awareness of whats going on.

Warrington. Unofficial Lockdown Request.
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TokyoSushi · 16/09/2020 13:42

How about submitting all of them @RedToothBrush !!

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RedToothBrush · 16/09/2020 13:47

I can't.

Not a resident.

Need to see if i can put someone else up to it.

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littlemsattitude · 16/09/2020 13:53

@Menomadness

Just looked at Newton-le-willows. No idea why? Very different areas Earlstown/ Vulcan village etc is not quite as well off as some parts on Newton- le- willows though but both look badly affected.

How do you look at local areas ?
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RedToothBrush · 16/09/2020 14:00
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Heffalooomia · 16/09/2020 14:05

Our incompetence is certainly world beating ☹️

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Ginogineli · 16/09/2020 15:55

Liverpool today has gone up to 107/100 000 and no restrictions which I’m surprised at

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RedToothBrush · 16/09/2020 16:04

My suspicion is the Warrington Briefing for residents at 5pm Thursday is because they know that on Friday the council WILL be on the PHE watch list, and formal restrictions will kick in within 24 hours of that because the numbers have been going up at such an alarming rate.

I've just been looking at a few news stories about how slow results are being processed so it looks like the numbers given for the last week are probably likely to still be revised upwards because of the lab delays meaning the picture in Warrington and some of the surrounding areas is even worse than we already know.

Same goes for Liverpool and other Merseyside Councils as well as those NE councils with more than 50 cases per 100,000.

Think it will kick in at the weekend.

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Devlesko · 16/09/2020 16:06

This is the first I've heard of it, I'm in GM, East Lancs.
I don't watch the News, too depressing.
My point, we find out one way or another.
It's quite scary up here atm, and I agree that the NW doesn't figure with government.
It never has done though, we don't make them and their pals enough money.

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littlemsattitude · 16/09/2020 16:06
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Sirzy · 16/09/2020 16:11

Doesn’t suprise me, I know of at least 3 pubs in Warrington area that have had to shut because of confirmed cases.

We have walked in and back out of 4 places where there was a complete disregard for any of the measures.

There does seem to be a real divide between those who are trying to do their best and those who just don’t give two hoots

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NP89 · 16/09/2020 16:29

I live in Warrington. The numbers have absolutely rocketed in the last 3 weeks. Literally 3 weeks ago or so we had a week where we had 2 cases per 100k and the last couple of weeks are now close to 140/100k.

I think complacency set in. Warrington was almost virus free but borders many of the hotspots.

Some pubs have had to close, one in particular is very popular and would probably have over 500 different people through the door in a week. This was a bar where four bar staff tested positive so the risk of transmission from them was probably very high.

My daughter who is a pub goer said some pubs have not even asked for details let alone adhered to distancing so I think this will have played a part.

Warrington also has a large number of warehouses and these could have become Covid hotspots. The local paper has made no mention of any connection though.

My friends daughter works at the hospital and they have reopened their Covid ward in anticipation of the increase in numbers.

It is concerning, particularly for my 80 year old dad with a lung condition.

I hope they get on top of it soon or we will be challenging Bolton for number one spot.

Personally I would shut all pubs in the town for 2 weeks. I think that would help.

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TokyoSushi · 16/09/2020 16:30

Any idea what the restrictions are likely to be @RedToothBrush ?

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TokyoSushi · 16/09/2020 16:32

Wow, 3991 cases and 20 deaths today, nationwide, not just in Warrington! That's another big increase.

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Sirzy · 16/09/2020 16:34

@TokyoSushi

Wow, 3991 cases and 20 deaths today, nationwide, not just in Warrington! That's another big increase.

It’s getting back into scary territory. Over 900 in hospital on Monday too.

I am a pub goer in Warrington and have noticed in the last two or three weeks a few places letting standard slip. We stick to the two we know are doing everything well now
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HeyMacarona · 16/09/2020 16:37
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HeyMacarona · 16/09/2020 16:39

NW increase of 809 today plus 269 currently in hospital with 25 ventilated

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Bettyboxer · 16/09/2020 16:44

I don’t really get what the briefing tomorrow will achieve or what the point of it is!

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Dinnerfor1 · 16/09/2020 16:48

38 more cases in Warrington, which is concerning given how difficult people are finding it to get tested.

I always wondered when the problems would start in Warrington South, with so many people working in socialising in Trafford and Manchester.

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RedToothBrush · 16/09/2020 16:50

@TokyoSushi

Any idea what the restrictions are likely to be *@RedToothBrush* ?

Definitely similar to Greater Manchester at first.

BUT if they think the cases are being driven by pubs (which has seemed to be a theme), then I think we are looking at a 10pm curfew for bars and restuarants.

I do think bars and restuarants have been an issue. I'm aware of lots of people going over (with families and friends) to restaurants from Greater Manchester because the restrictions there meant they couldn't do so there and they thought they could get away with it more easily if outside the county.

They were/are concerned about this happening for Bolton into Wigan but there hasn't been a peep about how it might be affecting Warrington.

On that note, I think in coming weeks that one thing that could happen is we could get restrictions where you have to stick to your county of residence for all but essential reasons like a couple of places in Wales have had introduced.

We shall see.
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Dinnerfor1 · 16/09/2020 16:51

@Bettyboxer

I don’t really get what the briefing tomorrow will achieve or what the point of it is!

Me neither, it still won’t reach anyone who isn’t actively following the situation. Anecdotally, today I noticed more people wearing masks when just out and about in my part of Warrington, so perhaps some people are becoming aware.
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RedToothBrush · 16/09/2020 18:09

Interesting.

National news just said there seems to be a particularly big problem with getting hold of a test in a few areas - Warrington was one of those named.

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RedToothBrush · 16/09/2020 18:13

And local newspaper published this within the last hour ago:

www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/18725947.10pm-curfews-way-within-two-weeks-pubs-forced-shut-early/
10pm curfews could be on the way - with pubs forced to shut early

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TokyoSushi · 16/09/2020 18:14

Warrington Guardian's social media campaign is cranking up now too, things are moving, very slowly though!

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Ginogineli · 16/09/2020 18:31

Liverpool mayor interviewed today predicting restrictions for whole or north west as Warrington not much worse than many of the other areas

All rising fast in north west now

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Ginogineli · 16/09/2020 18:33

I mean I know it’s bad there but figure are looking bad for entire region

Warrington doesn’t stand out so much when you look at entire area


Many are same

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