How can you do this to your children (and yourselves)?

[endoftheworldaoife]

It has been six months and it's now very clear that covid won't be doing away in our lifetimes. A vaccine won't eradicate it (just as a vaccine didn't eradicate flu).

Most of you seem to be willing to accept social distancing and masks for the foreseeable. And I don't get it. We are a tribal species. We literally die without contact and get sick without communication. Kids are learning arrange, stilted ways of being that will just worsen their digital reliance. OCD is being normalised. Dating will be neurotic and masked. Freshers won't make new loves or lifelong friends like we did. As for their working lives...

I wouldn't mind catching covid (indeed I'm sure we all will sooner or later) so can someone explain to me what on earth is happening in their heads to tip the balance? If it only affected us, I could understand (well, I couldn't but this feels like child abuse on a giant scale).

Mask is to

@Gizmo79 entirely agree with you.
OP how will you feel when there isn’t an ITU bed fir your relative/ friend? Or no staff to treat them because they’re sick due to being exposed to high viral loads.
Perhaps you wouldn’t seek care though as you don’t think the virus is serious. It would be quite hypocritical to do so?

Most people are dying of suicide I know two

Most people aren't dying of suicide.

OCD is being normalised

Child abuse on a grand scale

You talk nonsense OP.

I agree with you OP. COVID seems to be the ONLY concern. Those who can’t see anything other than Covid deaths/problems need to open their eyes, although can’t blame them, if you haven’t experienced something it’s hard to empathise. Cancer treatment has dramatically changed - know this for a fact. Giving birth in a hospital has massively changed, I know personally of people who have killed themselves during this pandemic as it’s unbearable and I really do feel for the kids going through exams, looking for a career right now, dating. Feel really awful for them. I’m not saying all elderly but a lot are really making me view them differently, sitting at home pointing fingers at the ‘younger generation’. Perhaps try to remember back to when you were that age if this is you.

Ffs I have a pre existing condition. Well two actually. Neither of these will kill me. If I get COVID I could die. (Hopefully not) That doesn't mean my death shouldn't be blamed on COVID because I have very mild prd existing conditions.
Just another method used to minimise the risk and it sucks. Along with the extremely vulnerable are old and those that died would have died thid year anyway. Totally wrong btw.

Lots of reports on this

NC4NW123

No one thinks that only Covid is important.

It's just that many people can see that letting Covid spread exponentially and uncontrolled through the population will not, in any way, enable the health service to function in terms of treating other conditions.

All of the restrictions still in place in hospitals are to prevent Covid being taken in and spread - so outpatients appointments by phone only, restrictions on birth partners and visiting, no partners in scans, no people in A and E apart from the patient, my local hospital is not doing any chemo it's all being done at a private hospital.

Allowing Covid to spread will impact on all other aspects of health care.

@EDSGFC I haven’t heard anyone talking about these issues? Other than covid. Not heard the government address anything else actually

I cannot believe the sheer arrogance, selfishness and complete lack of compassion for others I'm seeing on this thread.

You have no choice, your "opinions" do not matter, do what's right or be fined.

The opinions of epidemiologists, scientists and doctors around the globe disagree with you on everything. I've seen plenty of these people support the measures we have now, but I haven't seen a single one advocate for your stance, because it's lunacy.

You can twist the stats, use old data, twist people's words all you like, you're still wrong.

Would you like me to quote post after post of you all saying that there definitely won't be a second wave? Or hospital admission rates and deaths are low so it's all fine? (This is in the last two weeks). And see, there is definitely a second wave and hospital admission rates and deaths are rising, but you lot are still always right and the rest of us are sheeple?

Go back to your AD threads where you can talk uneducated bollox amongst yourselves.

[quote NC4NW123]@EDSGFC I haven’t heard anyone talking about these issues? Other than covid. Not heard the government address anything else actually[/quote]
You are kidding right? I'm hearing them talk about it everywhere - about the waiting lists, about the impact on treatment.

Can you explain how not controlling Covid infections will help treatment of all other conditions?

amusedtodeath1

Well said

Can you explain how not controlling Covid infections will help treatment of all other conditions?

exactly

@EDSGFC so your saying all the ‘measures‘ in place are helping? If so I wonder why the cases are rising. I’m just saying Covid isn’t our only worry. The impact of all these measures, that aren’t actually working will be long lasting indeed.

This !!!!! Most people are dying of suicide I know two

The joy of seeing someone who doesn't know the difference between anecdote and data when it comes to statistics and understanding of whats happening.

I do think the comment about '150,000 suicides in the uk, I've seen a report' was particularly amusing too.

Totally agree OP

The idea that dancing around with snot rags on our faces and ‘social distancing’ can defeat a virus is the ultimate in human arrogance.

I have been shocked by the acceptance and virtue-signalling of those promoting this utter lunacy.

Can you explain how not controlling Covid infections will help treatment of all other conditions?

Because we need an immune system. If we all exist in sterile little bubbles in the long term it will make us all sicker. HTH.

Oh this thread really is comedy gold!!!

Other people's lives are 'inane maudlin drivel'.

Great. Theres something ironic about people complaining about others being maudlin whilst advocating for us to just allow a virus to rip through the population and kill lots of people. I'm not entirely sure that will cheer people up and lift the mood tbh.

Perhaps we should just cull everyone whinging about everyone else being 'inane' and 'maudlin' and are refusing to where a mask as part of that.

It'd be interesting to run an experiment in two areas, one with the anti maudlin policy in place and one with the anti people complain about being maudlin in place. We could see what happens and compare them.

Whilst we are at it we should just criminalise depression and anxiety and demand that everyone spend every day acting in a way which crosses acting like an overly keen American waitress desparate for a tip wishing you to have a wonderful day with being fully loved up on E.

I'm sure that woukd solve the current 'inane' crisis.

I really need to read back a few more pages. This threadbis giving me a right laugh.

But we don't have any choice about some measures to control the virus (the specifics can be argued) .

It frustrates me how people argue about the measures when what's the alternative. The virus is here, we can't magic it away.

It's either measures + NHS functioning

Or no measures and NHS overwhelmed and cancer and other treatments cancelled.

It's either measures and schools open, or out of control spread and many schools closed because they have no staff.

Unless you have forced confinement in camps, there is no way to keep the vulnerable completely safe if infection levels get high. Non-vulnerable live and work and interact and care for and are children of the vulnerable. There will be transmission. There will be people who think they're healthy but have undiagnosed underlying conditions. There will be some healthy people who get really sick - maybe because they were exposed to a high viral load (which seems to be important - another good reason for masks and SD). The only way to prevent increase in hospitalisations (which are already going up) is to keep levels of the virus low.

Is it really so hard to only see 6 people at a time? You can see multiple groups of 6 in a day, with social distancing. Is it really so hard to keep 2m away and wear masks in shops? To SD and give your details in a restaurant or pub? Lockdown was hard but these measures really aren't.

Literally the only possible way to keep life as some semblance of normal is to keep infection rates low.

If we had these measures in schools (which we don't) we'd likely keep things even more normal, I think a lot of the problems with testing at the moment are the number of sick kids since they've gone back to crowded non-SD classrooms.

I really need to read back a few more pages. This threadbis giving me a right laugh.

Now finding this vile shitshow funny is a whole new level of unpleasant. But as it’s shown it takes all sorts

*The idea that dancing around with snot rags on our faces and ‘social distancing’ can defeat a virus is the ultimate in human arrogance.

• 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Because we need an immune system. If we all exist in sterile little bubbles in the long term it will make us all sicker. HTH.

😂👍🏻

Haven't rtft but agree op. Struggling to see how it is all worth it.
An acquaintance of mine, mother to 2 teen-agers is now dying in palliative care because her cancer was neglected during lockdown.
We aren't weighing up the choices because only the covid side is getting any measuring. All the consequences of our avoidance of covid don't count because they aren't measured. How is that a way to make a decision when you are choosing between which groups of people should suffer

I agree with you OP and hope many more will wake up soon and realise

Exactly, you can’t explain why the two statements are wrong.

I cannot believe people think this is funny. That is just vile frankly.