How can you do this to your children (and yourselves)?

[endoftheworldaoife]

It has been six months and it's now very clear that covid won't be doing away in our lifetimes. A vaccine won't eradicate it (just as a vaccine didn't eradicate flu).

Most of you seem to be willing to accept social distancing and masks for the foreseeable. And I don't get it. We are a tribal species. We literally die without contact and get sick without communication. Kids are learning arrange, stilted ways of being that will just worsen their digital reliance. OCD is being normalised. Dating will be neurotic and masked. Freshers won't make new loves or lifelong friends like we did. As for their working lives...

I wouldn't mind catching covid (indeed I'm sure we all will sooner or later) so can someone explain to me what on earth is happening in their heads to tip the balance? If it only affected us, I could understand (well, I couldn't but this feels like child abuse on a giant scale).

I started off thinking this thread was merely annoying, now I'm just here for the laughs. Civil war and cowering in bunkers ahahahahha!

There’s an air raid bunker next door. Maybe there’s some pp in it

@endoftheworldaoife

I can honestly see a civil war coming of this.

Now I know you're pulling our leg.

@sunglassesonthetable What does "twinkle" mean? It is possible to acknowledge aspects of a person's perspective and discuss them, wherever you believe they fall on the spectrum of public opinion.

Possibly yes. Sometimes you just laugh .

I can see people putting up with this until the results of the Oxford vaccine.. If they are not positive I think masses of people will just ignore all restrictions after.

I think the govt know that and are just praying for the best with the vaccine. I'm happy to wait until Christmas to see if things are better. If not I will be returning to normal!

@DameFanny

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/suicidesintheunitedkingdom/2019registrations

Suicides were up last year, but even at a record high of 5,691 for England and Wales it's absolutely nowhere near the 150,000 you quote

Clearly you decided to jump before having the politeness to read what I actually wrote, it was 150k including suicides and death by other violent means

@Forgone90

I can see people putting up with this until the results of the Oxford vaccine.. If they are not positive I think masses of people will just ignore all restrictions after.

I think the govt know that and are just praying for the best with the vaccine. I'm happy to wait until Christmas to see if things are better. If not I will be returning to normal!

Me too

Ive no issue with masks or Social Distancing. I've always washed my hands so that's nothing new to me and I was kind of taken aback that people didn't seem to.
But lockdowns? Nope. They solve very little and cause far more ongoing negative impact than they solve
I think we need a measured response like Sweden.

@Forgone90

I can see people putting up with this until the results of the Oxford vaccine.. If they are not positive I think masses of people will just ignore all restrictions after.

I think the govt know that and are just praying for the best with the vaccine. I'm happy to wait until Christmas to see if things are better. If not I will be returning to normal!

I’d say the same the trouble is you can’t ignore a closed school or business. I mean you can choose to socialise but you can’t force the school to open.

A vaccine is pretty damn important.

OP I do not agree with the sentiment of your post that the Covid restrictions are being accepted without question. Many are questioning and many are seeing the government for what they are which is completely incompetent. We are told the new restrictions are the fault of young people who ignored the rules which in turn has led to an increase in cases. Is this actually because so many broke the rules or more because the government got it badly wrong by telling people they were not at risk and they heeded Boris's call to 'Eat (& drink) Out to help out', get back to work, were told could party in groups of up to 30, and took advantage of the airbridges to go on holiday abroad having being given the green light. Young people are now being vilified for doing so and potentially killing their gran which I think is just appalling.

@endoftheworldaoife

I can honestly see a civil war coming of this.

I hardly think university students will be lining people up against the wall because a grand old tradition of getting langered and shagging a different person every night of Freshers' Week has been taken away from them.

My children are and will be fine thank you. If you are not worried about catching Covid than it’s likely you are not in a high risk group. But we have already lost a family member to Covid and both my husband and I are in at risk groups - my children would not be so fine if one or both of their parents get seriously ill with Covid. You live your life how you want to live it, but it’s seriously arrogant and ignorant of you to criticise strangers for the decisions they have made for their children.

I hardly think university students will be lining people up against the wall because a grand old tradition of getting langered and shagging a different person every night of Freshers' Week has been taken away from them.
crying at this😂

Seriously lay off the conspiracy theory websites.
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If we have unrest in this country there are a list of reasons that come before this.*

Agreed. A no deal Brexit resulting in food shortages or at best a lack of availability of certain things especially around Christmas is far for likely to cause unrest than whether two sets of in-laws can come for Christmas dinner.

is far for likely to cause unrest than whether two sets of in-laws can come for Christmas dinner.

erm, actually ...

I don't want to be painted as a conspiracy theorist but I'm deeply suspicious.
It links interestingly to the 'me too' campaign as well. Which was nothing to do with feminism!

THe vaccine has been pushed back again until next year anyway. I'm not waiting for that, and haven't been tbh.

I was advised to stay in for 12 weeks at least. I would have been out sooner hadn't I caught the bloody virus before lock down.

I didn't want the country to be locked down to protect me. I'd managed ok before then and dealt with viruses thrust on me from society for decades. And hopefully once my immunity dies off from this my body will deal with it better because the "memory" is still there.

Family of 6, so what about those in homes bigger than this? If everyone was still here, two of us would have to leave haha.

Under funding and the constant cuts have screwed our kids education. Broken education and they will be paying this back for all their life. How long before the retirement age is increased again?

Me too already put a stop to people meeting up for 'shags' re fresher comments above. Young people literally perceive that they are being attacked if they approached in person.
Its only allowed by app.
See the link now?

There’s no way this is lasting many years. It will pass, either through immunity and death of the vulnerable (sadly) or vaccine/other treatment.

If it becomes endemic, like other cold viruses, all kids will catch it when young and develop immunity - either never catch it again or lessens the impact next time so it’s just a another cold bug. If this could be proven to be safe it may be beneficial for healthy kids to catch it.

There’s a theory the Russian Flu was a coronavirus which now just causes a cold. Although even a cold will kill very vulnerable people.

OP, you say I wouldn't mind catching covid

I haven’t read through this thread so I don’t know whether it has been mentioned but it is becoming clear death is not the only thing to be worried about with CV. A small but not insignificant group of people, including young people in their twenties, have developed a post viral syndrome. It can develop even after being initially mildly affected by CV. It is incapacitating and people six months are still unable to return to work, exercise etc. It is unknown whether it will become chronic but there is the concern could be.

Article, there have been several in last couple of months, in the Guardian today about it. www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/13/i-was-infected-with-coronavirus-in-march-six-months-on-im-still-unwell?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Surely the only way to be completely safe is total house arrest , no school , work or work from home , food delivery etc , no socialising at all.
No way to live so you have to take a chance , as i have no trust whatsoever in pretty much all we have been told , myself and my family will be using our own commonsense , we also will not be following the 6 rule , but neither will we be having house parties , we won't be shouting about it .
My youngest child 12 will be able to meet up with a friend or 2 now and again outside school ,as she usually would .
Her friends mom's have similar views to mine ,i do not accept what i am being told , i wear a mask so i can shop once a week and i do not want confrontation for not wearing one .
My family lives a fairly simple life any way and that's how we will carry on.
I am not stupid i know its a bad virus , think me and daughter had it ,no testing then, but i do believe that the vast majority have it mildly.
I /my family refuse to live in fear and most of all fear that an untrustworthy government /media are fuelling.

There are many more of using suffering from the effects of the "rules" than from the virus. The last statistic round my way was an infection rate of 0.00017%.

@DameFanny et al

If you read my comment properly, you will deduce I’m not cowering in my bunker
I’ve been living my life all year. Going where I like
, doing what I like.
In fact we are just about to drive into our nearest big city and see how the party goers are doing.

OP I’m not really sure I understand your long term outlook for Covid itself. You talk about it not going away in our lifetime. Why do you think this will be different to previous pandemics? Or if you mean it will move to having similar risks for individuals and society to seasonally flu then what’s the problem? That’s a level of risk we are happy to live with in a normal way.

I actually agree with you. I’m sort of happy to give it this winter, but after that we need to let this thing rip through. The economy will be fucked if we don’t, and a fucked economy means many, many more lives lost than we will lose to Covid.

@canigooutyet

THe vaccine has been pushed back again until next year anyway. I'm not waiting for that, and haven't been tbh.

I was advised to stay in for 12 weeks at least. I would have been out sooner hadn't I caught the bloody virus before lock down.

I didn't want the country to be locked down to protect me. I'd managed ok before then and dealt with viruses thrust on me from society for decades. And hopefully once my immunity dies off from this my body will deal with it better because the "memory" is still there.

Family of 6, so what about those in homes bigger than this? If everyone was still here, two of us would have to leave haha.

Under funding and the constant cuts have screwed our kids education. Broken education and they will be paying this back for all their life. How long before the retirement age is increased again?

And the thing is, a lot of this churns up resentment to people with illnesses and disabilities. DS is 12, he is susceptible to flu, seasonal chest and bronchial infections. For all his life, I've had to keep a firm eye on him, with very little help from NHS or any other sources. When I've kept him home when he is starting to get unwell, it's not so we can have a jolly time bunking off. It's because I don't want him to be unwell and end up in hospital. But every year without fail I have to justify myself to education boards and clipboard warriors who bitch me and threaten me with fines. People with illnesses like him who could be detrimentally effected by covid are not suddenly going to go out and take risks. I'm not going to say fuck it after years of begging for flu jabs and asking people to send work home and say yeah go out without a mask and if you catch covid who cares. People can manage their ill health because most of those with ongoing health issues have had to adapt and learn to deal with it as the NHS gets further and further underfunded. I'm of the opinion due to that that those not on at risk lists stay home if they want to, and those who aren't get on. It would make getting shopping delivery far easier than the utter shower I had to contend with March to May because some Karen still refused to go and queue for her shopping when she was more than able. Selfishness is a huge factor in this. Selfishness in that people could wear a mask but won't. My son hates his, but still wears one. Selfishness of the fact they could easily go buy their shop in the supermarket but don't and carry on getting delivery. Selfishness of people ignoring the rules for months and the police doing fuck all.