How can you do this to your children (and yourselves)?

[endoftheworldaoife]

It has been six months and it's now very clear that covid won't be doing away in our lifetimes. A vaccine won't eradicate it (just as a vaccine didn't eradicate flu).

Most of you seem to be willing to accept social distancing and masks for the foreseeable. And I don't get it. We are a tribal species. We literally die without contact and get sick without communication. Kids are learning arrange, stilted ways of being that will just worsen their digital reliance. OCD is being normalised. Dating will be neurotic and masked. Freshers won't make new loves or lifelong friends like we did. As for their working lives...

I wouldn't mind catching covid (indeed I'm sure we all will sooner or later) so can someone explain to me what on earth is happening in their heads to tip the balance? If it only affected us, I could understand (well, I couldn't but this feels like child abuse on a giant scale).

Seriously - children have not been scarred for ever.

My 2 are back in school, irked by some of the restrictions on where they can and can not walk, stand sit etc but just happy to be back. Eldest already had a spat and made up with a friend ( not proud of that) which is normal boy behaviour.

What did scar my child was 9 months of intensive chemo a few years ago and the other one having major major surgery. They are scarred in the sense they saw their own mortality in the face, survived and know what life is - it has its ups and downs.

My self entitled 20yr old niece feels scarred because it was not fair and wasted 6 months of her life - she has a better relationship with her mother, has learned to cook and now enjoys it, has learned to sew, look after her pets and values some of her friendships more than she did before lockdown. She also understand freedom! Different life lessons but a millenial sense of entitlement to have been scarred by this.
My neighbour spent months in a refugee camp - she and her family are sanguine about the whole thing. YOungest DCS have forgotten the camp completely, older two remember and commented that now at least they could talk to friends on line - int he camp they could not.

Some people need a reality check on what has actually been hard.

@Aridane

The difference between this and the war is that the war was a proportionate reaction

So has the WHO, CDC, leading epidemiologists, the whole world’s governments got it wrong and indulged in a masochistic collective act of hysteria and shutdown for shit and giggles?

Has it?

This is what I can't understand. The tin foil hat brigade might be able to kid themselves that one government has made it up just to screw over their country (quite what the benefit is of doing so is unclear, but hey) but why would every country in the world be doing the same? Maybe some alien force has exerted a global mind control power over the world's governments,??? It's just ridiculous. I imagine these posters writing letters to national newspapers in the requisite green ink too

I am completely with you OP..its not right or normal. I am furious that people are accepting, wanting to be kept "safe".

Last night I watched last night of the proms. I looked at all the flags etc and felt so sad. I would normally feel proud, of the music, of our country. I felt the complete opposite last night.

@EDSGFC Well aren't you are delight?

Of course they won't just shrug it off. But what exactly do you expect people with vulnerable family members to do?

We are following the rules and getting on with life as best we can, safe in the knowledge that if the worse was to happen that we did our absolute best.

I agree with you OP. Destruction of life-chances for our children. Furthering of the gap between rich and poor. Denial of rights to (what used to be) basic autonomy. We know that positive test results have risen but the number of deaths is very low. On the basis of this, the UK has somehow been made to self-harm on massive scale.

@endoftheworldaoife

Tell you what then, you are your like minded people on these posts piss off and catch it

Stop your SD, stop wearing masks, break the law and have house parties

But don’t come back crying when your elderly parents have died from it, caught from you, or that the nhs has become overwhelmed again as shedloads believe, like you, that they want to catch it, but actually it’s a bad case and they need treatment, or that in fact you get long Covid and end up with a lifetime of poorer health as damage has been done to your organs

Children are adaptable, no it’s not nice, but it’s not like we are the only country in the world suffering. No the Government hasn’t performed particularly well, but then neither have a good proportion of the population of this country who believe rules don’t apply to them, hence being in the mess we are now with rule of six

I will continue to observe the rules because having had a friends family member die from it , a friend suffer from long Covid and a number of family members who have had to shield, whereby even a mild case may kill them before their time I have seen what this virus can do first hand and I don’t want to catch it

@EDSGFC apologies I have just re-read your message and think I took it the wrong way. Feeling quite wound up today which I don't usually do.

Anyway off to work in a patient facing role - and that is another challenge for the family to deal with!

[quote SteeperThanHell]@EDSGFC Well aren't you are delight?

Of course they won't just shrug it off. But what exactly do you expect people with vulnerable family members to do?

We are following the rules and getting on with life as best we can, safe in the knowledge that if the worse was to happen that we did our absolute best.[/quote]
Exactly - you're following the rules, but also need everyone else to follow the rules to so that the risk of someone catching it and passing it to a vulnerable person are as low as they can be.

The people calling for the restrictions to be lifted and then not caring if people die as a result are the people I'm addressing.

More people are dying from suicide than covid at the moment

More wild assertion from OP.

Please provide your source for this.

Hint: ONS gives the figure of 2,107

ONS gives the

SteeperThanHell

No problem. I was shielded. I understand.

I am devastated on here to see how little the lives of the vulnerable mean to people lucky enough to be healthy. Stay safe

@loulouljh

I am completely with you OP..its not right or normal. I am furious that people are accepting, wanting to be kept "safe".

Last night I watched last night of the proms. I looked at all the flags etc and felt so sad. I would normally feel proud, of the music, of our country. I felt the complete opposite last night.

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Destruction of life chances for children

Pathetic hyperbole. Children lived through 5 years world war and the turned into adults who never complained that they had no life chances

I am completely with you OP..its not right or normal. I am furious that people are accepting, wanting to be kept "safe".

Fancy?

Some children have suffered though. My niece (14) who was a lovely, happy go lucky social girl - not top of her class by any means but a delight to be around - is soon to be admitted to hospital for anorexia, if they can find her a bed which they can't a the moment. My sister is terrified.

Her teacher sent work for her in lockdown - they never did any online lessons, it was all just set. She couldn't cope. Her mum (my sister) is a teacher so she had to go to work. Dniece was left at home with her 3 older brothers.

My sister tried to help her every evening with her work but dniece simply couldn't keep up. My sister phoned the school to say dniece couldn't cope with the work just given to her and needed extra help and was told sorry they weren't doing lessons.

Niece got more and more withdrawn not seeing her friends and eventually stopped eating and started self harming. She lost more than 7kg in July :(.

CAHMS have said they are overwhelmed with new referrals for self harm and anorexia which is why there's a waitlist for treatment.

So yes, some children are fine. Her brothers coped. But let's please not forget that there are some who really didn't cope at all and it affected their mental health in a horrible way.

So we should all have war all the time? Cos it's not that bad?

To the posters who claim we have a responsibility towards each other and to the vulnerable (which I fully agree with) - does this responsibility extent towards the two and a half million Britons who are living with cancer every year? Who can be made seriously ill by flu, colds, chickenpox? Because we don’t lock the country down every flu season out of consideration for them. We don’t suggest isolating nursery children who might transmit colds or chickenpox. Interested to know if anyone else finds this very inconsistent.

Doomed!!!! DOOMED!!! WE'RE ALL DOOOOOOOMED!"

😂😂😂

We certainly do make sure kids with chicken pox isolate until they're no longer infectious. And of course it isn't feasible for all people with colds to isolate given how common it is, and how mild it is for more than 99% of society.

Midgetbabe, the recession which will necessitate more austerity measures, poorer education, greater social deprivation has not started yet. But it is coming and it will be ugly.

I'm hopeful I can leave the UK before the end of the year because I dont see the point of being alive like this.

OP -

My children have a heart condition which puts them at risk of serious complications with Covid.
They really are not bothered about wearing a face mask, but they do get pissed off when kids in their 'bubbles' are hugging and wrestling.
Mind you, they are lucky they know they have this condition as it is symptomless until it's really serious.

Maybe you and your kids have it and don't know? Would you then be happy to dispense of your kids for the right not to wear a mask?

DD has had a temperature since last night and there are no Covid tests available today. I'm very anxious. I am a teacher so will be off until she is proven negative - God knows how, as no response to getting test despite having more options as a keyworker.

My mother's in a home. Yes it's shit for her but she'd still rather not die. She's looking forward to sharing champagne with my dad when she can come out.

Needs to be testing freely available and a vaccine ASAP, overseen by a government that's not as corrupt and shambolic as the one we have at the moment. Adults wailing about liberties really do come across as pathetic. There's far more stoicism in children.

@Flyonawalk and those dying of hunger worldwide

OP - I think you need urge t psychiatric health. Please think of your children and how your demented catatrophisong will be scarring g them more than any covid restrictions can. Get help

But please do not attempt to minimise the lived experience of myself and my colleagues who witness it first hand, and will continue to do so.
I know the reality of what a covid death actually looks like is an uncomfortable truth that the conspiracy theorists don’t want to face.

I do think we need to see the reality on our screens a little to be honest, I think it might be the only way to get enough people complying to get rates down.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000ljnb/surviving-the-virus-my-brother-me

This was a good watch by the van Tulleken twin doctors. An otherwise healthy, relatively young doctor has heart problems after catching coronavirus. The message from all the doctors in this video is sobering.

To be clear when people break the rules you are consigning those doctors to having to deal with a second wave. I'm surprised a lot of medics aren't just resigning (I mean I really hope they don't, but after reading anything like this thread they must want to).

@gypsywater

Its shocking how many eugenicists we have living amongst us

This.

It's shameful