Do people realise that if their child's bubble bursts.....

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.....and that child is therefore sent home from school for 14 days, the child is supposed to stay solely within their own house or garden for that entire period? They might be completely well for the full 14 days, but during that time, they can't take any walks. No bike rides. No drives in the car. If they haven't got a garden, they cannot go outside at all.

Many, many children are going to be in this position very soon - quite possibly multiple times - and it goes some way beyond the initial lockdown situation.

It should be quite clear what isolating means but reading some threads just lately I wouldn't be so sure.

@AldiAisleofCrap i will stick to the rules. Its just we all had different 'lockdowns'. I went to work in a hub with key worker children daily and did lots of dropping food to shielding relatives who couldnt leave the house. So for me isolating would be the first time i wasnt out and about. I had a very easy lockdown.

It's all the teachers' fault... I look forward to loads of posts about that in the next few months.

www.heraldscotland.com/news/18716555.coronavirus-extraordinary-number-glasgow-teachers-test-positive-past-week/

So for me isolating would be the first time i wasnt out and about. I had a very easy lockdown.

Me too. I'll be going for midnight walks.

@Inkpaperstars

I suppose it will continue for as long as the virus takes to get through the population. We can't stop it now, all we're doing is trying to suppress it. All the lockdown did was delay the inevitable.

Is that assuming some level of lasting immunity though?

I suppose it is. If there's not some level of lasting immunity then we're completely fucked if we carry on with these attempts at suppression, aren't we? People are going to have to come around to the fact that we can't completely control nature. We can try to develop a vaccine, we can try to improve treatments, but we cannot stop nature. Viruses have been around since the dawn of time, they infect humans and animals and make us ill.

[quote ohthegoats]It's all the teachers' fault... I look forward to loads of posts about that in the next few months.

www.heraldscotland.com/news/18716555.coronavirus-extraordinary-number-glasgow-teachers-test-positive-past-week/[/quote]
It is disturbing how much of the transmission in schools seems to be between adults though. Why is it that the staff are finding it so difficult to stay away from each other? I'd say, in our school, we are doing that well.

Finnystory the point is during the war kids were disrupted for years with nothing, not even a basic TV. People need to get a grip it is 2 weeks!

I mean, for a start why are they having staff meetings? We do those virtually from individual classrooms.

@bellie710

Finnystory the point is during the war kids were disrupted for years with nothing, not even a basic TV. People need to get a grip it is 2 weeks!

They didn't need a TV, they had the run of the streets and the fields and each other....

@MillieEpple please don’t think I thought you wouldn’t, I was honestly making two separate points. Nobody wants to see any child stuck inside for any length of time , it’s just not as bad as I think people assume it may be . I say that with 7 children, four with autism!

I don't think people here are particularly worried about one 14 day isolation, it's the prospect of having to do that repeatedly.

@ElizabethG81

As if anyone is actually going to do this. I'm a single parent to 2 children, we live in a flat with no garden. I did my absolute fucking best during lockdown but I will absolutely not be keeping them as prisoners in their own home for 2 week stretches if they are symptomless. I'd keep them away from grandparents but we would be going for walks and if I needed to buy more food then we would be going to a supermarket. I'm sick of this hysterical bullshit.

So keep them away from your own grandparents but take them to the shop where you might pass it on to someone else's grandparents or to someone else's vunerable child ...(oh yeh...no I forgot these people should just stay locked up in their houses for months just so you don't have to for 2 weeks!).....smart decision eh ! Horrible to say but I think some people need to experience covid on their own doorstep to change their viewpoint and then they woud realise 2 weeks indoors is absolutely nothing compared to the flip side of the coin. And also be aware your own kids and family members are only one virus or accident away from also being vunerable ! My DC is vunerable with life long health issues as a result of a normal run of the mill virus and was perfectly healthy prior to that

It is disturbing how much of the transmission in schools seems to be between adults though. Why is it that the staff are finding it so difficult to stay away from each other? I'd say, in our school, we are doing that well.
In my area most of the reported cases are from students.

Yep, 14 day isolation not going to be fun! In terms of episodes of coughing, I have assumed that means those coughs that follow one after the other and you can't catch your breath inbetween, to be an episode - sort of like chain coughing - but they don't last an hour....
Without it being due to a drink, etc - seasonal allergies you know about, etc - I have also realised how much I 'choke'/cough with food and drink since this - which I never noticed before.... it's very annoying now.

So keep them away from your own grandparents but take them to the shop where you might pass it on to someone else's grandparents or to someone else's vunerable child ...(oh yeh...no I forgot these people should just stay locked up in their houses for months just so you don't have to for 2 weeks!).....smart decision eh !

It will be pretty hard for them to pass on a virus that they don't have. If they have no symptoms at all, I'd put a mask on them and take them with me if I needed to go to the supermarket. The risks really are very low.

Finny, the children of world war 2 may have had fields to play in but nearly a million of them didn’t have their parents. It’s a ridiculous valid comparison but if you had to say who had it worse then I think the ones who were sent far from home to live with random stranger definitely had it worse.

@ElizabethG81

So keep them away from your own grandparents but take them to the shop where you might pass it on to someone else's grandparents or to someone else's vunerable child ...(oh yeh...no I forgot these people should just stay locked up in their houses for months just so you don't have to for 2 weeks!).....smart decision eh !

It will be pretty hard for them to pass on a virus that they don't have. If they have no symptoms at all, I'd put a mask on them and take them with me if I needed to go to the supermarket. The risks really are very low.

You don't know they don't have it. And well if everyone took that attitude that 'they don't have it' then someone else's child who should be self isolating could have passed it on to your grandparents in the local shop ! I know quite a few people who have been absolutely adamant they have a 'normal cold' and not covid and have got a test to prove the point...one last week who also did not self isolate and continued to send kids to school without informing anyone that an adult in the house had symptoms and was awaiting a test result because they were so certain....yep you guessed it....they tested positive...7 days on from that now and one of the kids is really poorly and they can't get a test for the child but it would be highly likely they now also have it and yeh they have been in school so that's a bubble that will be heading home in the next few days in fact it will likely be 4 bubbles because they had 4 kids across different classes in school if she gets all 4 of the kids tested and they come back positive

We did self isolation. Clue is in the title.

The risk of outdoor transmission is so low it is close to zero.

In one study in Asia where contacts of over 1000 cases were studied only one transmission happened outdoors and it was between two people who stood chatting.

So if or when my kid's bubble bursts I'll be taking them out for a daily walk along the river by my house, where there is plenty of space to social distance. Because fuck keeping a kid with ASD indoors for two weeks.

Pickacoolusername Yep. Outside transmission rate is ridiculously low. Low enough to be negligible in most real world situations, except Covid obv. Because covid trumps everything else.

@ElizabethG81 if you are so sure they wouldnt have it, why would you keep them away from their grandparents?

In our schools, (Scotland) p1-3 have no sd, no set seats so everyone in the room could possibly be exposed. From p4 up children are encouraged to have a set seat but no sd and they play with/eat with different people. They may decide to select certain pupils to stay at home but in fairness whole classes are exposed, seats are next to each other as they always were.

My friends child's bubble burst. He has to stay at home. But his parents don't & nor do his siblings apparently.
I don't understand how that is going to help contain it 🤷‍♀️

@gallbladderpain - given the fact the parents would still be allowed to trot around supermarkets while their children self-isolate, and we are told that young children play very little role in transmission, even though they can pick the virus up from adults in close contact with them, I don’t see a symptomless child going around a supermarket with their parent that concerning if the powers that be seem to think it’s fine for the parent to be there!

I think the teachers are being amazing in my experience but it is going to be very difficult to manage kids doing the classroom hokey kokey
In class then out to test or self isolation, the staggered starts and finishes the chopped up break times.
I think it's going to make class learning so disruptive.