Do people realise that if their child's bubble bursts.....

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.....and that child is therefore sent home from school for 14 days, the child is supposed to stay solely within their own house or garden for that entire period? They might be completely well for the full 14 days, but during that time, they can't take any walks. No bike rides. No drives in the car. If they haven't got a garden, they cannot go outside at all.

Many, many children are going to be in this position very soon - quite possibly multiple times - and it goes some way beyond the initial lockdown situation.

they just carry on as normal and their grand dad, granny , parents, sick relatives with asthma or diabetes die:

That would be incredibly unlucky 🙄

@RedCatBlueCat

Yes, I think that bit is pretty clear. What's not clear to me is what an "episode of coughing" is.

YES!

Never is this cough cough = 1 episode

4 hrs later cough cough = episode 2

2 hrs later cough = episode 3 - time to get tested.

I'm utterly shocked that this isn't more clearly explained given that it's one of 3 key symptoms. I think if you're not using everyday language (I've personally never described myself as having an 'episode of coughing') then they have to explain REALLY REALLY clearly.

If my 4 year old has 2 lots of self isolation because someone in her bubble is positive. I am going to pull her from school. Full isolation for two weeks is brutal.

It will be easier to hire a nanny and let her out of the house rather than be continually locked down, while I try and work from home with no childcare because the child is isolating.

Wish, I agree. We spent lots of time at the beach, woods etc when schools were shut. Repeatedly imprisoning yourself and kids in the house at no notice is a big deal.

@Hillary4 - ironic you’re comparing the virus to WW2, when people were expected to carry on doing what they were doing, however dangerous, and to sacrifice their lives in huge numbers.

@Wishforanishwishdiash

If my 4 year old has 2 lots of self isolation because someone in her bubble is positive. I am going to pull her from school. Full isolation for two weeks is brutal.

It will be easier to hire a nanny and let her out of the house rather than be continually locked down, while I try and work from home with no childcare because the child is isolating.

Blimey, where is that, that cases are so rife that presumably small, nursery bubbles are getting repeated infections?

Blimey, where is that, that cases are so rife that presumably small, nursery bubbles are getting repeated infections?

School, not nursery.

[quote Walkaround]@Hillary4 - ironic you’re comparing the virus to WW2, when people were expected to carry on doing what they were doing, however dangerous, and to sacrifice their lives in huge numbers.[/quote]
Yes!!! And wasn't it people pulling together, being together, supporting each other, that got "us" through WW2?

Two lots of isolation since schools went back?

@SimpleComforts

Two lots of isolation since schools went back?

I’m confused, are we reading the same comment? She said if her child has two lots of isolation at school then she will remove them. Not that her child has had two lots of isolation at nursery so she has removed them.

Walkaround That's a good point. Can't stand the World War 2 comparisons.

My Grandad was an evacuee. He lost his parents in the Blitz. He hates this being compared with WW2. He thinks it is nothing alike, and actually thinks todays children have it harder than he did.

What on earth is happening to your children that is equivalent to being bombed and orphaned @ImNotWhoYouThinkIam?

My grandmother who was a teen in the war keeps saying ‘at least we could bloody see people then’.

Oh yes, I can't read

@SimpleComforts - not if you listened to the stories of black marketeering, or conscientious objection, or spying, etc, it wasn’t. People do like rose tinted spectacles, though and imagining everybody sang off the same hymn sheet in the past. I honestly don’t think the 1930s and early ‘40s world would have given much more of a toss for the vulnerable, either - unless by vulnerable, that meant healthy young children who would grow up to defend the Empire in their turn. Eugenics, after all, was a concept born in the UK before being enthusiastically taken up by the Nazis.

@Wishforanishwishdiash

If my 4 year old has 2 lots of self isolation because someone in her bubble is positive. I am going to pull her from school. Full isolation for two weeks is brutal.

It will be easier to hire a nanny and let her out of the house rather than be continually locked down, while I try and work from home with no childcare because the child is isolating.

A live-out nanny can not care for a child who is self isolating. That could increase risk of spread as nanny could become infected and take it home with them, spreading it to their spouse/partner, children, grandchildren... plus take to other families for whom they work.

@Porcupineinwaiting nothing He means in terms of schools and clubs being closed. They couldn't see friends for a period over lockdown.
I don't agree with him! I think living through a war would have been a million times worse than missing school and not being allowed to go out and socialise. But that's his opinion! I think he's thinking along the lines of @Kaktus grandmother. At least they could see people !

I agree my 90 year old granny has repeatedly said this is worse for the younger generation and for her than she ever found the war. It’s a stupid comparison.

The elderly, frail people I know, who lived through the war, are a bit pissed off at the thought that they might die of old age or pretty much any disease before they are allowed contact with their loved ones again. People like to pretend we are confronted with simple choices that everyone should be able to agree on, but we aren’t, actually.

I fully understand the implications of self isolation on children, esp those without a garden, however, for those who choose to ignore the strict rules of 14 days indoors or within the parameters of their home/garden, I say this.
The child who bursts the bubble which causes your child to be sent home, may have parents who ignored social distancing or any of the rules meant to keep us safe.
If you do likewise, you are doing what you deplore in others. Think about it. It has to be about keeping you and yours safe and healthy, not breaking 'rules', which is why little George or Saffron breaking your child's bubble caused your child to be sent home. The domino effect.

@nannynick A live-out nanny can not care for a child who is self isolating. That could increase risk of spread as nanny could become infected and take it home with them, spreading it to their spouse/partner, children, grandchildren... plus take to other families for whom they work.

It’s perfectly clear that she is not proposing doing this.

@LoisLane66

I fully understand the implications of self isolation on children, esp those without a garden, however, for those who choose to ignore the strict rules of 14 days indoors or within the parameters of their home/garden, I say this. The child who bursts the bubble which causes your child to be sent home, may have parents who ignored social distancing or any of the rules meant to keep us safe. If you do likewise, you are doing what you deplore in others. Think about it. It has to be about keeping you and yours safe and healthy, not breaking 'rules', which is why little George or Saffron breaking your child's bubble caused your child to be sent home. The domino effect.

Fine, except I don’t ‘deplore’ the behaviour of the child who causes the bubble to burst, or the child’s parents. It’s a virus. People catch viruses, despite people’s best efforts. I would have no idea whether the child caught Covid because their mum was at a rave, or whether it’s because their mum has to go to work every day in a factory where social distancing is impossible. If we’re not careful the stigma of catching Covid will be like that around HIV.

@Badmum1978

A positive test for a member of the bubble will cause the bubble to be shut down. Not someone displaying symptoms, only a positive test.

This is not my experience. A single positive test (in two of my children's schools) has caused only close contacts of the specific children to be asked to go home and isolate. The rest of the bubble remains intact, in both cases.

My concern over this is the older children who are studying for GCSEs and A Levels. They’ve already missed 4 months of school. In their case it’s not just ‘little Peter being bored at home for 2 weeks’ they will be missing vital parts of their education and exam prep which most parents will not be able to help them with. Schools will try and provide online learning, but teachers will be divided between teaching the students they do have in school and trying to support those at home.
And every time a younger sibling gets a fever that’s 14 days off ... someone in the bubble tests positive, another 14 days off.... student themselves gets a cold with a cough, another 14 days off... (unless Government sort testing out). I really worry about the impact this will have on DDs GCSEs.