Do people realise that if their child's bubble bursts.....

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.....and that child is therefore sent home from school for 14 days, the child is supposed to stay solely within their own house or garden for that entire period? They might be completely well for the full 14 days, but during that time, they can't take any walks. No bike rides. No drives in the car. If they haven't got a garden, they cannot go outside at all.

Many, many children are going to be in this position very soon - quite possibly multiple times - and it goes some way beyond the initial lockdown situation.

P6 in our former primary had a case (think it might have been a teacher but unsure) but the whole class didn’t have to isolate.

Because fuck keeping a kid with ASD indoors for two weeks. as I said on my post I kept my children with autism in for four months.
Think about that for a minute , four children with autism at home for four months to keep their mum safe. And you refuse to keep child home for two weeks.
Your refusal to keep your child at home for 2 weeks could lead to children like many spending months at home again if shielding restarts.
@PickACoolUserName how can you be that selfish?
If it was fine for people to go on quiet walks then the guidance would reflect that.

But the whole year group sent home. Happened in many schools in our city already. One child with a positive test and the whole yeargroup is off

[quote Porcupineinwaiting]@ElizabethG81 if you are so sure they wouldnt have it, why would you keep them away from their grandparents?[/quote]
Because in the slight chance that they had it with no symptoms at all and were able to pass it on, I think they'd be much more likely to pass it on to someone in their grandparents house than they would be walking past someone for a split second in a supermarket or on a walk outside. They'd be more relaxed with their grandparents and therefore more likely to pass something on, if they had it.

If they had symptoms I'd keep them in and away from everyone, but we were talking about a situation where someone at school who they may or may not have had contact with, may or may not have coronavirus, which my children may or may not develop. It's lunacy to suggest that you'd lock children away for 2 weeks in those circumstances, and we wouldn't do it for any other virus. People need to use a bit of common sense.

90,000 DC stayed in for four months shielding.

It's really not an impossible thing to do

Demanding and difficult yes. But not unachievable

If people do not isolate properly, then we are in for a nasty winter

People replying with the 'yes everyone knows that' is possibly true but for instance my daughters neighbours 2 children were outside playing while off school awaiting the results of their covid test. Neighbour still had a garden full of friends and hasn't changed her actions during the pamdemic even at the height of it. Some people are either that dense or just don't care!

@RedCatBlueCat

Grrretel so a single cough counts as an episode? Thank you.

No a single cough is not an episode of coughing.

a new, continuous cough – this means coughing a lot for more than an hour, or 3 or more coughing episodes in 24 hours (if you usually have a cough, it may be worse than usual)

I’m very worried about this, so much so that I have written a thread about it.
Not so much having to do it once. But potentially having to do it several times with energetic young boys
@FinnyStory
You seem to suggest some schools have been over zealous with shutting down entire classes but our HT has been quite adamant that the decision is down to PHE not him. Do we think that they are giving inconsistent advice or are schools overruling?

The risk of outdoor transmission is so low it is close to zero.
I wonder about this. Because this seems to be the assumption I find that covid rules are nearly always dropped outside. There's only a handful of parents that wear masks at the school gates, in the playground there seems to be no social distancing, kids play sports etc. Hopefully it is true but everyone is testing it to the max (we dont allow the kids into the playground it's always heaving and we also haven't brought them back to football this year-they aren't hugely into it which is lucky)

@trollopolis
Not necessarily. The shielding kids i know were taken for walks/bike rides away from others at quiet times. Totally appropriate IMO. If you’ve probably or definitely been exposed to Covid it’s a bit different.

"90,000 DC stayed in for four months shielding.

It's really not an impossible thing to do"

Some parents chose to not to fully shield their children because the risks associated with their child staying indoors.

@KetoPenguin

I don't understand why children have to stay home and SI but the rest of the family dont. If there's enough chance they have it to make them SI for 2weeks then there's a strong chance they could pass it to the family.

The person who has been in contact with a CV-19 case must self isolate in case they develop CV-19.

Loads - most, maybe, in a 300+ secondary school ‘bubble’ - won’t ever get symptoms. They probably don’t have it. If they probably don’t have it, their contacts (friends & family) almost certainly don’t have it. That’s why family members of a person in a burst bubble aren’t a huge risk - until the point someone in the household develops symptoms. Then everyone is locked down/up.

It does make sense. On the face of it, it’s illogical. But on an epidemiological scale, it is reasonable and proportionate.

@FinnyStory

Right or wrong, schools/government need to find a way to stop whole bubbles closing. As OP says, it's not workable to have who year groups isolating on a regular basis.

So children as young as 4 can only play with a select number of their classmates? Even at playtime?

I know loads of shielded kids. They all went out. Maybe not at busy times, but to out of the way places, for walks or bike rides.

@ElizabethG81 do you honestly believe the government are sending these kids home to self isolate for 14 days if the science shows them that there is little chance of any of them having it ?
Disrupting the economy with parents having to stay at home with the child for 14 days. Also making schools look like a complete shambles whenever they are so desperate to prove how 'safe' they are !
Of course they aren't ! If they were sure that children were not spreading it amongst themselves and then transmitting it they would not be sending home entire bubbles at all...it would be business as usual
But do whatever you think, pick and choose what suits you or applies to you but not everyone else because people like you will do that anyway but when everyone like yourself carrys on as such maybe expect some tighter restrictions and the potential for your kids to at least end up on some sort of part time blended learning plan in the coming months and then make sure and come back and moan about the inconvenience of that as well

Yes OP. We all realise that (can't be arsed to read the whole thread)

I think there was a SAGE statement that only 20% isolate properly. Doesn't bode well for anyone.

Yes of course. Isolating means just that not go home and do as you please but do not come into school

Did you think they just had two weeks off school

It’s dire we are in this situation but we are as we are in a world pandemic

It’s going to be a very difficult winter

OP, sorry for this pedantry but it is kind of relevant to attitude. If we are going to look at it in terms of a bubble bursting, I think a child within the bubble testing positive is not the bubble bursting. The bubble is there to limit damage if that happens. It is if some fail to isolate after a positive test that the bubble bursts.

@Treesofwood

I know loads of shielded kids. They all went out. Maybe not at busy times, but to out of the way places, for walks or bike rides.

Yeh we have gone for a bike ride on a really rainy day when no one else would be around and we went for another walk along the sea front one night again when the weather was crap. In 5 months ! Our children can't even return to school. Yet the rest of the kids in the country can't survive for 2 weeks ! The country is full of snowflakes if you ask me We also had a 2 week stay in hospital....where we were in a side room with a tiny window that didn't open, it was boiling hot mid summer and only one parent allowed to be with the child and not allowed to leave the room or swap parent....a small room with 4 white walls and a bathroom....this is usual for us so no big deal we have done it many times before although usually parents can go to the parents room and children can leave the room to go to the playroom but these days that's out. Yeh it's not something I would choose to do with 2 weeks of my life and the child wasn't really unwell either just needed monitoring but still had as much energy as normal but needs must the same way we need to be accepting of inconveniences to our lives during this pandemic, things we wouldn't normally choose to do but that are sensible things to do right now. I mean, I wonder how many people in here would ever be able to cope with any sort of major inconvenience in their lives whenever they can't even sit in their own houses for 2 weeks !!

People think this thread is pointless because everyone understands isolation. I no a teacher who visited Amsterdam, Turkey and Lanzarote in August with her daughter then flew home and went to school the next day. The child went back to school 3 days later

@NoSquirrels - it makes sense at secondary level, but the constant mantra that primary aged and younger children are vanishingly unlikely to get seriously ill with covid and are not thought to play any remotely significant role in transmission sits badly with locking them up for 2 weeks if another child they might or might not have had a huge amount of contact with has a positive test result. Either admit that a small child out for a walk in the fresh air can give you covid 19 just by walking past you, or let them out for walks while isolating with zero symptoms and in all likelihood, no covid (or admit that all the stuff about small children not really passing it on is a load of guff).

Walkaround I agree - I think a walk in the fresh air for anybody of any age group can be safe despite ‘isolation’ for 10-14 days if you’re a contact of some who is a positive Cv-19 case.

Depends if fresh air = going out when not busy & deliberating avoiding seeing anyone or fresh air = do what you like, see who you like as long as we’re outside.

The rules are simplistic to discourage individual risk-taking. Remains to be seen if it’s an effective strategy or counterproductive...

Jesus, it's not the Blitz!

Get the Joe Wickes videos back on, have family step count challenges and get them marching on the spot, if you have a garden, use it!! A child isn't going to explode if they spend a couple of weeks inside!

@RubieRose

But it's not about thinking you're special.

Not everyone can afford not to go to work because someone their DC may or may not have had contact with has tested positive. Some people are self-employed.

Also surely you can apply some common sense to any situation. And depending on where you live it's perfectly possible to safely take an isolating child for a walk. Or walk a dog without going near anyone else.

As much as people are screaming it is, it's just not possible for some people to stay inside their house for 14 days and not leave.

We already know the people at the top are making choices based on what's best for their families, so am I.

A voice of sanity.