Do people realise that if their child's bubble bursts.....

[IfYouCantSeeMyMirrors]

.....and that child is therefore sent home from school for 14 days, the child is supposed to stay solely within their own house or garden for that entire period? They might be completely well for the full 14 days, but during that time, they can't take any walks. No bike rides. No drives in the car. If they haven't got a garden, they cannot go outside at all.

Many, many children are going to be in this position very soon - quite possibly multiple times - and it goes some way beyond the initial lockdown situation.

A bubble burst at my DDs school. They sent the whole year group off but said siblings must continue to attend school. So every morning you see the parents walking to school with the child that has to attend school and the one that has been sent home because they can't exactly leave a 6 year old at home alone isolating! But I would imagine it would be an unauthorised absence and a potential fine for not taking the sibling when they have been told they must attend. it makes no sense

I walked my dog every day throughout lockdown and would do the same with kids. Go out at dawn to somewhere you won’t meet anybody else. No danger to anybody.

There are suddenly lots of threads on here where the OP seems to be quite insistent on clarifying the rules and checking that everyone understands them, it’s quite tiresome. And sometimes throwing in their own spin on it for good measure

@NewCatMummy

And just like in lockdown everyone knows the theory and everyone has a reason why they are the exception eg my dog needs three walks, my toddler needs to run off some exercise, I need to get milk from the shop, my elderly relative needs their pills, I need to go for a run for my mental health etc etc, all perfectly avoidable but people won’t

The thing is though that people do have genuine reasons for having to go out; Single parents without a support network will need to go shopping. Parents with other children at school will need to drop them off and pick them up. Some people will be forced to go out to work. The furlough scheme finishes soon.

It's not good enough for the government to tell people to isolate for 14 days without putting a support structure in place to make it possible.

DS has been self isolating since Tuesday, he managed 3 days in school before another child tested positive and all 240 children in the bubble were told to self isolate.

This is worse than lock down. DS is in year 8 and many children in his year group are home alone. There are no exemptions allowing exercise for medical reasons, in lockdown DS was allowed more than one walk a day because he has ASD/ADHD - now he needs to stay in the house/garden despite the fact he really needs an outlet especially as home has become school again. The 3 days in school were not worth the 14 days of SI.

People know, whether they do it or not is another matter. I would be taking DS out for a very early morning walk and not touching anything though.

[quote SoloMummy]@Sirzy
*A child in DS class/bubble got a confirmed test on Thursday evening so we where told from then that all pupils in the class will need to isolate.

Which we will be doing other than going out on the nice isolated paths for walks - which he needs as part of his physio/OT*
Bloody hell. You still don't get it. No regardless of physio needs he should not be leaving the home or garden. Exercise in the garden. If necessary up and down the house.
You cannot guarantee that any isolated path has noooe on it.
Take some responsibility.[/quote]
I’m glad you said this @SoloMummy. We could all find some reason why we’d like to be out of the house when we are supposed to be self isolating.

Unfortunately if too many think that they’re too special to have to abide by the rules then the situation is very soon going to be out of control again.

We’re all going to have to stick to what we’ve been asked to do. Adapt our normal routines and think of alternative ways to do what we think we ‘need’ to do. In the case of physio and OT, I’m sure the therapists could provide alternatives.

@Houseplanted they don't have any sort of monitoring system that you would be arrested if seen out. Would he be able to go out with you very early or something on a route wouldn't have to touch anything? I understand covid is serious and we all need to play a part, but that sounds really tough for you and for him.

@IfYouCantSeeMyMirrors

Leaving coughing aside for a moment - it might be clear to some people what 'home from school isolation' entails, but I don't think it's fully sunk in for many. Frankly, if it had, I think there would be a lot more fuss being made. It's a somewhat different thing than being asked to isolate if you're showing symptoms or even, arguably, if you've had a fun holiday beforehand.

Will people keep the rules? According to The Times, there are moves afoot to make them legally enforceable. Walks on those nice isolated paths might still be breaking the law, whatever your medical reason. And if you have a dog, you are supposed to ask someone else to walk it.

I notice that Jacob Rees-Mogg is awaiting results of a test for one of his children. Will he end up isolating on a large country estate with plenty of outdoors space, while the most disadvantaged children are forced to spend 14 days entirely inside, over and over again? And will people stand for this?

How the hell is it different; you have symptoms you isolate (as does your family and anyone you have been in close contact with). Your child gets sent home as someone in their bubble is positive then the child isolates (rest of family doesn't need to)...

@Floralbean

People know, whether they do it or not is another matter. I would be taking DS out for a very early morning walk and not touching anything though.

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www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection

To be honest I have given up trying to keep up with the new rules. We don’t see anyone. We get a click and collect so don’t enter shops. My Dd has no social life but is in a Yr12 bubble of 200. 90% of these Yr12 seem to be all over each other.
I will just go with what the school advise when it happens cos every school seems to interpret things differently.

Tell you what. Let's all on here us mums meet up at the Winchester for a pint and wait it out until it is all over...

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"And just like in lockdown everyone knows the theory and everyone has a reason why they are the exception"

Some people will be the exception. You have no idea what goes on in some people's lives.

According to The Times, there are moves afoot to make them legally enforceable. Walks on those nice isolated paths might still be breaking the law, whatever your medical reason. And if you have a dog, you are supposed to ask someone else to walk it

It's a nonsense though. The chances of passing it on outside are tiny, especially if you are on the other side of a field to someone. I'd still walk the dog if I had one.

@HipTightOnions

Only those who have been 1-2m for 15 min plus etc etc need to isolate. That isn't going to be a whole year group.

In many (most?) secondaries there is no meaningful attempt to maintain SD within a year group. The “1-2m for 15 min plus etc etc” will be impossible to figure out.

The school RA should include details of how they will "figure that out". Ours does.

@cologne4711: and would you still do it if your neighbour was watching you like a hawk, ready to phone the hotline, with a £1000 fine?

Also, if I went on holiday I wouldn't be broadcasting it to anyone, so nobody would know if I was meant to be staying at home. According to the Times, there's still the risk of someone phoning you to check you are complying, but let's face it, you could be in the shower when they called - also I have a garden office and the landline is inside. And if they wanted a whole family to isolate would they insist on speaking to all members of the family?

I do realise that. Goodness sake.

would you still do it if your neighbour was watching you like a hawk, ready to phone the hotline, with a £1000 fine

cross-posted! Answered above - and the neighbours wouldn't know if any of us were told by contact tracing to stay at home.

Seriously the complete over reaction from some people to having to stay indoors for 2 weeks ....honestly like it's not for 2 years !
How do you all cope when you get sick kids in normal times ? Or you get sick yourself and have to stay at home. No one ever been admitted to hospital with a child ? and had to stay in a 4 walled hospital room for days or weeks on end, generally with only a couple of intermittent TV channels as well !
People are honestly getting on like they are being put into a tiny square prison cell for 2 weeks !
If your kid has to self isolate then you must self isolate ....otherwise you only have yourselves to blame when it continues to happen over and over and over again because not self isolating makes you part of the reason !

Yes I was aware.
When we were shielding ds we stayed in the house or garden, for nearly 5 months.

Is OP talking about holidays now, I thought it was schools, not everyone has neighbours.