Do people realise that if their child's bubble bursts.....

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.....and that child is therefore sent home from school for 14 days, the child is supposed to stay solely within their own house or garden for that entire period? They might be completely well for the full 14 days, but during that time, they can't take any walks. No bike rides. No drives in the car. If they haven't got a garden, they cannot go outside at all.

Many, many children are going to be in this position very soon - quite possibly multiple times - and it goes some way beyond the initial lockdown situation.

[quote wildchild554]@user1472151176 we have been told to isolate for 2 weeks unless test comes back negative and get a test even though certain it's the common cold now, you'll need to speak to school[/quote]
Thank you. That sounds like good advice. I will chat with the school in the morning and see what they say. We've followed all rules and been responsible throughout this pandemic. It's frustrating but I know there are vulnerable children in the school and in the class

We had covid, one after the other. We didn't go out the front door for months!

Well...I'm the OP - and I've decided to take a break from all of this for a bit. Interesting to see the replies and the various things (panic, sarcasm, stupidity, etc.) ascribed to me!

Some people may have fully taken on board the fact that you have to 'stay within your own property for 14 days, no excuses whatsoever', but many imagined it would be much the same as early lockdown. The poster above who has a 5-year-old in a bedsit? Yes, they want you to stay within your own 4 walls for 14 days - possibly multiple times. And yes, that does mean you can't work, and therefore that you will lose your job.

My point of view is simple: we cannot carry on treating children like this. They are now 'the vulnerable' if ever anyone was.

(You can carry on talking about coughing now....)

Back in proper lockdown, weren’t people allowed out for walks even if they had symptoms, as long as they kept away from others?

Finnystory That’s exactly what will happen. We’ve have been told by both our local High School and DS primary that if a child is suspected of Covid or has tested positive the whole year group will need to self isolate.

@yearinyearout

Back in proper lockdown, weren’t people allowed out for walks even if they had symptoms, as long as they kept away from others?

No. That maybe what people did, but they should have stayed in for 14 days (or 10, which was the original guidelines)

@Sunnysas

Finnystory That’s exactly what will happen. We’ve have been told by both our local High School and DS primary that if a child is suspected of Covid or has tested positive the whole year group will need to self isolate.

I think that will change. Based on a webinar I was in with DfE officials last week, they're not at all happy that schools are closing bubbles. I suppose ultimately it's down to the heads but I imagine the Secretary of State can apply significant pressure.

@yearinyearout

Back in proper lockdown, weren’t people allowed out for walks even if they had symptoms, as long as they kept away from others?

The gov info said you could go out for exercise with symptoms but then it in the next paragraph it said you couldn’t!

We had to stay in for 14 days after returning from France. It was ok at first but the final 5 days was a real drag, I was pulling my hair out. That time we had the advantage that the kids hadn’t been home for weeks and we’re happy to play with their toys and be back home and although I had to work at least I didn’t need to home school too. I think to have to do it again, would suck big time!

People saying it’s already clear, perhaps not clear enough. We’re isolating as baby had a temperature and we’ve all had a cough. My 9yo has only had 5 days back at school and was gutted to be off again.

Meanwhile 2 families I know who should be isolating having been in direct contact with someone with the virus have been to parks, McDonald’s, shopping. Very frustrating when we’re following the rules without being exposed (as far as we can tell)!

@JonSnowIsALoser
Yes that makes sense entirely. Although a sixth form teacher I know is only at any point having half the kids in for lessons - the other half will be joining in (the same class) remotely. They will be swapping every week. So it can be done.

For primary age though I'm not so sure. We never got 'remote lessons' just stuff sent from the teacher for kids in yr R and 2. Meanwhile at primary age parents of isolating children will obviously need to stay at home to look after them which if like me you're self-employed will be a major ballache.

@SimpleComforts
Our school has been keen to tell us that actually it's not the head's decision at all to close down the bubbles - it's down to Public Health England and they are bound to do what they are told.

I can’t go into my local shop without a mask , the hairdresser takes my temperature before allowing me in but I work in a primary school with no real social distancing. Classrooms are not big enough to distance , primary schools do not have the space , facilities or staff to distance effectively whatever Boris and co have told parents. Lots of “bubbles” will burst and there is a good chance children will repeatedly be asked to isolate .

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Sunnysas

Finnystory That’s exactly what will happen. We’ve have been told by both our local High School and DS primary that if a child is suspected of Covid or has tested positive the whole year group will need to self isolate.

I think that will change. Based on a webinar I was in with DfE officials last week, they're not at all happy that schools are closing bubbles. I suppose ultimately it's down to the heads but I imagine the Secretary of State can apply significant pressure.

It is not ultimately down to the school head teacher. At this point public health are involved and schools act on their guidance.

My son susceptible to catching colds at school , he now has one and school have told us to self isolate for ten days and get a test ! He’s been back 5 days . He’s been well all through lockdown . Upset for him as sure it’s a cold

oh ffs people liven up and think what you are writing none of you are thick surly you can work out what counts as a "cough"ect get some jobs or somthing the amount of time you spend on here is just hilarious

@Toffiffeee89
Assuming it’s just a cold that is wrong. Even if he is coughing or feverish if you can show a negative test they should let him back

My child's bubble has burst... A 270 child bubble all that are now in isolation are a few children that sat on same table in preceeding days lessons. Had at minimum 2 hrs probably more sat within a few steps away (in a closed room) from my child. I didn't realise this was OK for secondary until I googled. What is the point of the secondary bubbles and staggered entrance and departure plus 40 mins longer days if that's what happens in practice?

A positive test for a member of the bubble will cause the bubble to be shut down. Not someone displaying symptoms, only a positive test.

Rude!!!

I haven't read through thd whole thread, but you may find this useful, especially the bit about children with pre existing medical conditions

I cannot imagine anyone having an 'episode of coughing' without doing something about it. Why do people not treat the symptoms as and when? I have a disability, so that if I lay on my left side too long I start coughing. I keep a glass with a couple of spoons of my favourite cough syrup (white port wine. Mil for mil it is cheaper than cough syrup and works) and the cough goes. If I feel a bit overheated I use ice packs, cheap from Chinese sellers on ebay. They contain crystals. You put some water in the small opening which is self sealing and put in the freezer. They can be used time and again. I have had them for years, because my disability gives me pain which ice sometimes helps. How anyone can have a fever and not do something is another thing I cannot understand. If the cough and fever go with home treatments, you do not have the virus, but stay away from people.

Another not understood point is that people are asked to take a test if they have symptoms. Who wants to drive in front of someone with a fever who is coughing?

slipperywhensparticus A single cough should not be taken as a symptom of virus and I agree with you. I wonder why they said it was in the beginning? Is a dry cough indicative of pneumonia? At the same time in March that we were being told dry cough was a symptom, they were saying we did not need masks. It is the strangest thing I ever heard, because all respiratory conditions are caused by droplet infection. Perhaps they had to say that because a lot of people responsible for stocking PPE did not reallise that they could only give out CE certified masks because we do not officially leave the EU until next year. The EU manufacturers are in Germany and, despite International Trading Laws, they would not export them because they needed them, which is why they do not have many cases.

it’s going to be a nightmare regarding childcare

Definition of continuous cough

or....they just carry on as normal and their grand dad, granny , parents, sick relatives with asthma or diabetes die: or we end up in full lockdown again.

Sad for little Johnnie of Jilly, but think what six years living in London or other Nazi bomber targets during 1939 to 1945 was like, that was sacrifice.

A least they've got Netflix, laptops, mobiles, colour tele......need l go on