“Covid marshals to be introduced”

[Funkypolar]

To enforce social distancing.

No doubt they will find many volunteers on Mumsnet!

I swear Mumsnet must be full of bots, all I've read for 6 months is "stupid and selfish" on repeat. People, at least buy a thesaurus and get some new words to throw around.

No need. These words are perfect.
No doubt the stupid and selfish people are the ones now complaining about the Marshall’s, not realising that their actions have created the jobs. Quite funny really.

@HeresMe

Do you mean our managed isolation facilities? These are all 4 and 5 star hotels. All people coming into NZ stay for 2 weeks. You are tested on day 3 and day 12. If negative you can leave. If positive you ad those you travel with are moved to another hotel.

Have you seen the priced it's not cheap this managed isolation, you make out these are doing it out of goodness of hearts.

It’s free if you are a NZer or NZ resident - and there’s a few other categories just included yesterday too. As long as you are returning to NZ for 90 days or more I think.

I'm very interested in this narrative emerging that new measures have only become necessary because old ones haven't been followed. I'm not aware of any evidence that this is the case, but it is certainly a useful narrative in a lot of ways. It supports a creeping spiral of restrictions.

Indeed.

Though I am sure Whitty said something along the lines of they are surprised at how many are following the rules, many more than expected, something. Yet, it continues, only a holy few follow the rules, and so increased measures must be taken, and again, and again. Slightly worrying to me..

Its all the rulebreakers having 8 people in their gardens instead of the recommended 6 that are the reason for the rise in infections too. Clearly nothing to do with people going back to work, and more and more public places opening. No. Its definitely the rulebreakers.

@cyclingmad

How many ppl will actually take the job if it doesn't earn them much more than the benefits they receive...........

Many on here would do it for free I reckon. Some might even pay for the privilege..wouldn't surprise me one bit. I reckon one of our neighbours would definitely pay to do it. The one who reported the terminally ill guy in our street for 10 min cups of tea with his daughter when she dropped off his shopping. Thought she was amazing for that, seemed to actually expect praise when bragging, rather than being ignored by most of us now for months..

not realising that their actions have created the jobs.

Breaking covid rules creates jobs, in a time when jobs are being lost by the hundred. Erm, not quite sure thats a good thing to be spreading aroound even snarkily, almost sounds like breaking the rules continually is a good thing and actually currently the best thing for the country, massively helpful infact!

exiled by the time the marshals will be needed I am not sure pubs etc will be open by then, there will be curfews, and some are already in place.

This is better than a full national lockdown, so I think we need to learn to adjust and get on with it. We had a great summer, and now it is time to prepare for what looks to be a very bumpy winter to me.

Breaking covid rules creates jobs, in a time when jobs are being lost by the hundred. Erm, not quite sure thats a good thing to be spreading aroound even snarkily, almost sounds like breaking the rules continually is a good thing and actually currently the best thing for the country, massively helpful infact!

🙄 This shows the mentality of the ‘no one is going to tell me what to do’ types. They’ve absolutely played a huge part in creating the need for Marshalls because of their attitude. If they’d just do what’s asked of them, there would be no need for these people to monitor us. The actions of these people have given the government the means to justify putting these Marshall’s in place. They’ve brought it on themselves but they don’t want to accept that. So they make twisted comments like the one above. Maybe try growing up.

Considering how keen some people are for the vulnerable to be locked away, how about those who can't wear masks be locked away instead? I'm pretty sure most will suddenly find that they can wear one after all.

Are you seriously suggesting locking up people with a disability?

Because ever mask refuser has a disability

Many on here would do it for free I reckon. Some might even pay for the privilege..wouldn't surprise me one bit.

I read this in a sneery old woman's voice, Batshite - this is a particularly silly statement in a thread of full of them.

Comparing what will be little more than assistants to the start of a police state is hysterical. Covid downplayers like to call 'dementors' hysterical - but on this thread, I'd say it's you.

Why would the state seek to limit civil liberties? Are we on a slippery slope towards fascism? can we draw parallels between Germany after 1918 and Britain in 2020 without sounding like lunatics?

Western democracies are now operating under a permanant "state of exception" driven by fear that our 'way of life and liberty is under threat' by outside forces and civil unrest within.

I intended to study for an MA (which isn't happening....Covid) because I was interested in studying new social movements (from a Marxist perspective, I'm certainly no tin foil hat wearing loon). and approximately two years ago I read about the establishment of a European state funded think tank set up to both theorise and monitor the new social movements. The overall thrust of this was to use intelligence gathered, to create ideological messages, to equip the state with both the intelligence and justification to use force where necessary to stem the tide of civil unrest. And there is a rising tide of civil unrest.

Its of no small consequence that under revised terrorism laws people can be held indefinitely. Its of no surprise to hear Patel refer to Extinction Rebellion as criminals (they will undoubtedly be on the government watch list as a group, and as individuals as terrorists) in the same week Bojo introduces a new force to control public behaviour.

Covid has not caused an economic crisis. The government have created the economic crisis. But crisis is always around the corner, its always imminent. And the UK has been in economic decline since the start of the C20th. (if you're bored look in to it).

I believe the government will use the threat of Covid to justify greater infringement of our civil liberties. Fear and uncertainty is a very powerful way to gain support for this.

All this control of how many people can congregate, SD measures that cause a barely recognised but psychologically powerful barrier between physical groups of people but also their ability to properly apprehend the humanity of the other. Face masks create a physical and psychological barrier that limits communication. The call to work and commute despite the risks whilst controlling all social activity outside of production activities......i could go on.....

So, yes, I don't think life will go back to our old normal.

Because ever mask refuser has a disability

Clearly not every but many do. Are the genuine ones to be locked up too?

This is worth reading if anyone is interested

www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/covid-19-neoliberal-state-exception-200325161722610.html

It's not like this is unprecedented.

During the second world war there were restrictions on movement (curfews) and even on the amount of food people were allowed to buy (rationing) because it was an emergency, as it is now, just of a different kind. Children were evacuated from London. Compared to that, having to stay 2m from other people and restrict yourselves to meeting up with 5 other people at a time seems relatively easy.

The death toll from covid is fast approaching the death toll of civilians during world war 2. I'd be surprised if it doesn't pass it this winter.

There is of course a risk that after the emergency passes the authoritarian laws don't change - but we need to deal with that when coronavirus is over.

@AlecTrevelyan006

We appear to have stepped through some sort of hysterical looking glass where the infection of a rising but statistically minute number of viral infections in otherwise healthy young adults and the deaths of an infinitesimally small number of elderly people with underlying health conditions merits economic ruination and wholesale withdrawal of civil liberties.

That people are accepting this and some are even supporting it tells me that the Nudge Unit has a lot to answer for

This exactly!

There is of course a risk that after the emergency passes the authoritarian laws don't change

I don't think that is a risk worth taking.

Pubs and restaurants here in Sydney have to have a Covid Marshall, it works well. They make sure everyone scans the QR code or uses whatever sign in system they are using, ensure social distancing (with humour), help other staff clean tables between sittings. Not sure why it is seen as such a big deal - anything that means I can go out occasionally and feel safe is good for me.

They sort of already exist. Our local council have two people walking around on a Friday and Saturday night advising people and establishments. All really friendly but people do tend to follow the rules mostly anyway, it's a smallish town, but in the larger town in our council area they patrol with police in tow.

The point with this is - will it work with the exceptions?
They want people to go back to work (using public transport - how crowded that will be especially within major towns & cities & travelling to them? & how many people in airconditioned offices/factories/workspaces? )
Young people & their tutors/teachers etc going to back to all educational establishments
& special needs support within & in the community (if it hasn't collapsed)
& transport ie buses etc
& shops

Pubs and restaurants here in Sydney have to have a Covid Marshall, it works well. They make sure everyone scans the QR code or uses whatever sign in system they are using, ensure social distancing (with humour), help other staff clean tables between sittings. Not sure why it is seen as such a big deal - anything that means I can go out occasionally and feel safe is good for me.

People on here don’t want to hear this. They want to moan and whinge and compare this to living under Hitlers rule. You’re spoiling all their fun with your sensible post. 🤣

@TheClaws

Many on here would do it for free I reckon. Some might even pay for the privilege..wouldn't surprise me one bit.

I read this in a sneery old woman's voice, Batshite - this is a particularly silly statement in a thread of full of them.

Comparing what will be little more than assistants to the start of a police state is hysterical. Covid downplayers like to call 'dementors' hysterical - but on this thread, I'd say it's you.

Well said @TheClaws.

There have been so many people on mumsnet sneering at others for wanting to follow the rules to make us all safer, and calling us hysterical for being worried about the virus.

Yes many of these same people are now coming out with this ridiculous hyperbole that we're in a police state. It's so ludicrous that it should be funny, but I'm just depressed that so many people think that public health measures in a pandemic is equal to a police state.

@Jaxhog

I don't want to live in a police state thank you and that's the way this is heading.

Easy. Just follow the rules then!

Oh, the irony....

@BadTattoosAndSmellLikeBooze

Pubs and restaurants here in Sydney have to have a Covid Marshall, it works well. They make sure everyone scans the QR code or uses whatever sign in system they are using, ensure social distancing (with humour), help other staff clean tables between sittings. Not sure why it is seen as such a big deal - anything that means I can go out occasionally and feel safe is good for me.

People on here don’t want to hear this. They want to moan and whinge and compare this to living under Hitlers rule. You’re spoiling all their fun with your sensible post. 🤣

I think it's the posters who think that covid marshals harassing rape survivors who people are more concerned about.

This is what my family look like. Long line of English gypsies (Wells). What do you think our chances of surviving a Gestapo state are?

I think it's the posters who think that covid marshals harassing rape survivors who people are more concerned about.

Has that happened? No it hasn’t. They’re not even in place yet and people are just making shit up.

A very good friend of mine can’t wear a mask. She’s very much in favour of anything which will help to enforce those that can wear them, to wear them. Let’s wait for the details of these Marshalls before we say they’re harassing rape survivors. It’s far more likely they’ll play a role like SnowsInWater described. But let’s wait and see. And don’t forget that if people were following advice, Marshall’s wouldn’t be being introduced.