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Will the new law on social gatherings make you reconsider your activities?

684 replies

Redolent · 08/09/2020 22:48

Yes or no?

OP posts:
theviewfromhalfwaydown · 09/09/2020 06:22

Funny though I can work close to other people's children performing personal care with no ppe in a class of 8 children and 9 adults all close together but can't see my family again Sad.

Sweetpea84 · 09/09/2020 06:27

I was going to do an activity for dds birthday so if me and Dh took dd and 3 friends is that ok or not? As only would be 6? Thanks

AmelieTaylor · 09/09/2020 06:32

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss

It won’t affect us as we have been following the guidelines.

It’s better now it’s the law as the police will have better powers when reports are made.

Would be strange though if it changes from two households only indoors to any six people as that surely increases not decreases the risk.

Yes, but I think they're trying that fr making the rules very clear, so they can clamp down on it more easily. I hope the idiots still going ahead with parties etc will be reported & fined. As that what it seems to take to stop supposed adults from behaving like selfish twats.
notevenat20 · 09/09/2020 06:33

Funny though I can work close to other people's children performing personal care with no ppe in a class of 8 children and 9 adults all close together but can't see my family again

You can see 5 of your family who you don’t live with at a time.

But overall I think it’s important to look at it in terms of an infection risk budget. To keep R below 1 we as a society can only afford a certain number of social interactions. If you spend your budget at school you can’t spend it outside school.

And yes, it’s a royal pain in the arse.

IgnoranceIsStrength · 09/09/2020 06:33

Will need to cancel 7yr old Ds1 party. Was an outdoor meeting in the woods to play with nerf guns but now against the rules. He sees these children every day at school but now can't meet them to run around the woods....

GenericFemalePal · 09/09/2020 06:34

I’ve no idea why the PP talking about a risk budget is being mocked. If you’ve increased the risk of spreading / catching covid in one area of your life, surely you’d want to reduce it in other areas. I certainly do - we are no longer seeing grandparents now the kids are back at school.

notevenat20 · 09/09/2020 06:35

I genuinely love this. I've read all sorts on here justifying the most mad illogical rules but I love this 'risk budget' idea. Covid is the gift that just keeps giving

I think it was my idea originally. What don’t you like about it?

Aramox · 09/09/2020 06:36

I haven’t met up with more than one household at once anyway. So no change. There’s a limited amount of risk we should take- every encounter adds to it. Do people not get that it’s about probability overall, not absolute safety ?

Aridane · 09/09/2020 06:37

Doesn't matter what ethnicity you are or how you describe your ethnicity, everyone should be treated the same regardless of what race or religion you are

What - like banning Eid (Moslem Christmas ) with household gatherings and acts of collective worship and letting the pubs remain open? Way to go!

PremierInn · 09/09/2020 06:37

I want to develop the 'risk budget' idea further. We could each have an app that monitors our daily interactions and scores them. The fun part is working out how to balance it so that teaching a class of 30 = 1 relative in your house, or giving care to 15 people = 2 socially distanced garden meets with friends. You could maybe offer your unused daily allocation to others, perhaps only those in your bubble though, to keep it fair. That way, if granny stayed in for a month, you could visit her when you finish your shift on the covid ward because the points would transfer across and make it safe.

notevenat20 · 09/09/2020 06:39

Will need to cancel 7yr old Ds1 party. Was an outdoor meeting in the woods to play with nerf guns but now against the rules. He sees these children every day at school but now can't meet them to run around the woods....

That is miserable, I guess the logic is that there may be more mixing of the parents at a party. But really I think the government has just learned that no one can remember complicated rules so if they want people to follow them, they need to be really simple.

pepperwood · 09/09/2020 06:39

I haven't ever really deviated from the rules as they are which I thought was always a max of 6 indoors in pubs etc?
I haven't had anyone in my house except to use the loo and have mostly met people outside. I've been inside a restaurant twice since lockdown eased and was very carefully

I have a job where I am exposed to lots of different people in their own homes and other premises. I can wear a mask to protect them but there is no requirement or compulsion for them to wear anything to protect me.
Like teachers, I am having to accept that my safety is dependent on others following the guidelines and being sensible about social distancing.
I quite like the risk budget idea, it makes a lot of sense.
I know the government are a bunch of absolute cunts, I don't trust anything they say really and have been making my own decisions and risk assessments since things eased.
But the medics and other experts are warning us too, they are worried and so should we be.
It's absurd that people are saying they will just carry on as they have been because of the confusing rules. It makes those people sound childish and petulant.

It also doesn't consider that their behaviour has knock-on effects on others. Their colleagues, their children's schools, other people they encounter.

So basically what they're saying is, fuck everyone else because I'm going to have my party and my Sunday lunches are more important than the safety of other people.

What if all the teachers, health professionals, social care staff and others downed tools and said that they're not going to risk themselves any further when others are not willing to try to minimise the risk to them? It's fucking tempting but of course they won't because they give a shit about other people which is why they're in the job.

2020fedup · 09/09/2020 06:40

No. It’s utter nonsense.

notevenat20 · 09/09/2020 06:43

I want to develop the 'risk budget' idea further. We could each have an app that monitors our daily interactions and scores them. The fun part is working out how to balance it so that teaching a class of 30 = 1 relative in your house, or giving care to 15 people = 2 socially distanced garden meets with friends. You could maybe offer your unused daily allocation to others, perhaps only those in your bubble though, to keep it fair. That way, if granny stayed in for a month, you could visit her when you finish your shift on the covid ward because the points would transfer across and make it safe.

You have reminded me of “cheat neutral” m.youtube.com/watch?v=I6zpnVW134k

Kaktus · 09/09/2020 06:43

Family of 6 here so I guess we’re back to not seeing anyone.

fruitypancake · 09/09/2020 06:45

The point is that it's large private house parties that are known to be causing the spread in areas with higher number of cases, these same areas are already seeing school closures. Something has got to be done.

MoreW1ne · 09/09/2020 06:47

Nope, I'll carry on doing what I want. I'll respect those who dont want to meet up and will have a good time with those that do.

People can talk about 'budgets' and things 'society' has deemed important all they want but if i can be surrounded by almost 200 kids each day I'll see the people I want outside of work.

uglyface · 09/09/2020 06:47

Yesterday my class spent a total of 119 minutes washing their hands. 30 children, one sink, six times a day. Some of that was break and lunchtime but a lot was learning time.

I’m sad about the restrictions personally, but pleased if it means we can get on with what little bit of teaching we can achieve at the moment.

SoManyActivities · 09/09/2020 06:49

@theviewfromhalfwaydown

Funny though I can work close to other people's children performing personal care with no ppe in a class of 8 children and 9 adults all close together but can't see my family again Sad.
Where do you work and why arent you using PPE for personal care?
theviewfromhalfwaydown · 09/09/2020 06:50

@notevenat20

Funny though I can work close to other people's children performing personal care with no ppe in a class of 8 children and 9 adults all close together but can't see my family again

You can see 5 of your family who you don’t live with at a time.

But overall I think it’s important to look at it in terms of an infection risk budget. To keep R below 1 we as a society can only afford a certain number of social interactions. If you spend your budget at school you can’t spend it outside school.

And yes, it’s a royal pain in the arse.

But I can't see 5 family members as I have three children and all my family live in houses more than 2.
notevenat20 · 09/09/2020 06:51

Yesterday my class spent a total of 119 minutes washing their hands. 30 children, one sink, six times a day.

Could some of those times be put at the end of breaks or the start of the day before lessons to avoid eating in to teaching time? One sink is clearly not enough though. Is there no bathroom?

yeOldeTrout · 09/09/2020 06:51

Large families & bubbles are exempt (says guidance). But I'm not sure how in practice.

Problem of "risk budget" is that it assumes the risks are definite, known and best estimate of risks won't change constantly. Lots of people lack the numeracy (or personal self-organisation) skills to manage a 'risk budget'. They will conform better with simple rules instead.

I wasn't violating the guidance, anyway, but I will tell adult DD to stop doing it now. I am expecting many to break the new law in a "limited and specific" ways by ignoring it when they fancy.

PremierInn · 09/09/2020 06:52

[quote notevenat20]I want to develop the 'risk budget' idea further. We could each have an app that monitors our daily interactions and scores them. The fun part is working out how to balance it so that teaching a class of 30 = 1 relative in your house, or giving care to 15 people = 2 socially distanced garden meets with friends. You could maybe offer your unused daily allocation to others, perhaps only those in your bubble though, to keep it fair. That way, if granny stayed in for a month, you could visit her when you finish your shift on the covid ward because the points would transfer across and make it safe.

You have reminded me of “cheat neutral” m.youtube.com/watch?v=I6zpnVW134k[/quote]
Oh no, someone stole the idea

GrinGrinGrin

"I don't see the link between them .... except in our minds ...."

notevenat20 · 09/09/2020 06:53

But I can't see 5 family members as I have three children and all my family live in houses more than 2.

Yep. You will have to do it shifts. That is 6 in the house/garden at any one moment.

fartyface · 09/09/2020 06:54

It is shit for the kids again isn't it.

We are a family of 5, children primary school age. They now can't see anyone unless they can go alone basically.