Will the new law on social gatherings make you reconsider your activities?

[Redolent]

Yes or no?

[alreadytaken]

The economies that are recovering fastest are those that have controlled the virus.

If you want a hospital bed - and staff to treat you - when you have a cancer scare, a heart attack, a stroke, a pregnancy, a drunken fall then you keep away from people as much as you can, wear a mask when you cant and wash/sanitise your hands often.

I have not gone back to living my life as normal because I want the virus controlled to protect jobs and healthcare. Changing the rules makes no difference to me because I'm not taking risks anyway.

[Wonderlust2]

Is it ok that my partner sleeps with his 10 year old son when he Visits?

[Hardbackwriter]

@ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia

Apparently "after school" chats outside the gates are effectively now banned! Probably suggesting second wave is hard hitting (hence no tests available) that Covid is rapidly becoming form bad to worst. Hopefully if we all do our civic duty we might salvage some Christmas and New Year festivities let alone more school closures etc.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/15/families-will-breach-rule-six-mingle-street-says-priti-patel/

Priti Patel: Families will breach 'rule of six' if they mingle in the street. Casual chats in the street between families could fall foul of new Rule of Six, says Home Secretary

I heard this interview and it was really fucking scary. She was clearly making it up off the top of her head. She's the home secretary, for god's sake.

[Juststopswimming]

@ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia

Apparently "after school" chats outside the gates are effectively now banned! Probably suggesting second wave is hard hitting (hence no tests available) that Covid is rapidly becoming form bad to worst. Hopefully if we all do our civic duty we might salvage some Christmas and New Year festivities let alone more school closures etc.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/15/families-will-breach-rule-six-mingle-street-says-priti-patel/

Priti Patel: Families will breach 'rule of six' if they mingle in the street. Casual chats in the street between families could fall foul of new Rule of Six, says Home Secretary

I'm sorry but this made me laugh out loud. The police are going to be very busy arent they?

[ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia]

Apparently "after school" chats outside the gates are effectively now banned! Probably suggesting second wave is hard hitting (hence no tests available) that Covid is rapidly becoming form bad to worst. Hopefully if we all do our civic duty we might salvage some Christmas and New Year festivities let alone more school closures etc.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/15/families-will-breach-rule-six-mingle-street-says-priti-patel/

Priti Patel: Families will breach 'rule of six' if they mingle in the street. Casual chats in the street between families could fall foul of new Rule of Six, says Home Secretary

[Pobblebonk]

It's OK, folks, you can gather in groups of up to 30 so long as you're vaguely hoping to shoot something.

[taradiddle]

Thanks Xenia. So, the wording still talks about 'participating in a gathering'. Going back to the 'can I have friends round while the kids are in bed' scenario, I would interpret that to mean that you could have a social gathering of six adults while kids are in bed, as long as the kids do not at any point 'mingle' with the adults present. The children are in no way part of the 'social gathering'. I can't see anything to say how many people can be physically present in a building.

[Xenia]

The English rule of 6 regulations are out although are a bit hard to follow as they amend original regulations. The new set are here

This is a link to the regulations for anyone who wants to read the real law on this
The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (No. 2) (England) (Amendment) (No. 4) Regulations 2020

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/986/pdfs/uksi_20200986_en.pdf

So I think it means you can meet to cut off part of a baby boy's pe nis but if you are atheists a significant event gathering would not include even something basis like a once a year family meal.

Support groups for new parents and for gay people etc can still meet in more than 6 (and the 30 at weddings etc rule remains).

For those into sport

"(a) a “sports gathering” is a gathering which is organised for the purposes for allowing persons who are not elite sportspersons to take part in any sport or other fitness related activity and— (i) which is organised by a business, a charitable, benevolent or philanthropic institution, or a public body, (ii) which takes place on relevant premises or outdoors, and (iii) the manager, if the gathering takes place on relevant premises, or the gathering organiser, in any other case, complies with paragraph (5G); (b) a person taking part in a sports gathering does not include a spectator or a parent of any child who is taking part in the gathering.

[IceCreamAndCandyfloss]

Sadly, the same can’t be said for cancers and mental health conditions. The treatment of those will be neglected though - we can question the justification for that but it’s fact - until we get on top of this. Which is achievable if everyone who can does pull together a little more

Sadly though many won’t as their wants come before anything else. Given posts on MN, local behaviour and FB pictures SD seems to have vanished for many. Lots refuse to wear masks. Many sending in children ill to schools or refusing to test. Compliance with the rule of six will be low I suspect.

[herecomesthsun]

I am shielding as much as I can, so not very much difference

[GetOffYourHighHorse]

'People need to think beyond their own worlds and try to imagine a world in which other people have been made depressed, homeless, and penniless purely by the response to Covid.'

Oh come on, thousands have died and many more will. I know many people with mh issues or financial issues and I'm very sympathetic but there has to be restrictions in place to stop the spread. People whine on that the Government aren't doing anything then whine when they do.

If people don't stick to groups of no more than 6 (hardly the end of the world), then it will get worse.

[Aragog]

Schools all have staggered finishing times. They leave in their bubble

Ours doesn't. It wasn't workable to manage it as we have so many siblings, plus the juniors next door (separate school entirely) have lots of our siblings too. It just became impossible to plan for staggered starts that took everything into account and avoided lengthy waiting around for parents, increasing the number of adults milling around the area.

Instead the juniors went for staggered start and end and we went for flexible ones - so increased the drop off/collect windows by 10 minutes or so to encourage a natural flow in and out. It worked in week 1, but less so this week. We've introduced masks for drop off/pick up and reiterated only one adult per child for next week due to lack of social distancing at those times.

[Kbr22]

No!!! 6 adults and two grandchildren under the age of two, my husband and I can decide what the risk is for our little bubble. Our DC are woking from home and following all the rules as we are, so we are very sadly prepared to break the law. I know not everyone will agree but that is how it is for us.

[dontbelieveboris]

No. Can't trust what this government tells us they change their mind weekly along with the rules it's a full time job just trying to keep up with the latest shit they spout

[LouiseNW]

etopp

Not looking for an argument and, really, I’m very sorry indeed to read about about your friend because I had breast cancer 4 years ago, at the moment I’m well and I really hope he/she makes a good recovery.

I’m more frightened of Covid because it affects such a wide demographic. The assumption is that it’s elderly, frail people who succumb but that’s just not so. Even for those who recover, the long-term effects are still unknown but it doesn’t look good. I dont have boobs anymore but the rest of me is sound. The effects of what they are calling long-Covid are awful and affect so many different bodily functions. Every organ is pulled in and people are left shells of their former, sometimes very fit and healthy, selves.
I suppose the difference is, you can’t catch cancer or mental health conditions from a chance encounter. If everyone took great care, socially distanced, wore a loathed mask when necessary, kept their interactions to those that were strictly necessary rather than desirable, we would get on top of this.

Sadly, the same can’t be said for cancers and mental health conditions. The treatment of those will be neglected though - we can question the justification for that but it’s fact - until we get on top of this. Which is achievable if everyone who can does pull together a little more.

[etopp]

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'However, I also know people who are now at rock bottom as a result of lockdown. When you say if people cared more about others, you presumably care more about the people who might catch Covid than you do about someone's teenager who has tried to take her own life as a direct result of lockdown and having no meaningful social contact or reason to get up?'

Full lockdown ended at the beginning of July. We can meet in groups of no more than 6! Pubs are open! It isn't solitary confinement.

I don't get why people cant see the evidence, Belgium have similar restrictions and cases have levelled off. France and Spain haven't and deaths are increasing. Surely, surely people can stagger meeting people and keep it to 6.

GetOff

Please tell me you didn't just say that.

If lockdown drove someone to try to take their own life, do you really, seriously think they are going to suddenly wake up at the beginning of July and say: "Oh goody, I don't need to be suicidally depressed any more, because full lockdown has now ended?"

Is this how you think mental health works?

And what of the people who still can't go to work, and who can't work from home, because of the sodding social distancing rules? Or is the assumption on Mumsnet that everyone is either a teacher, and NHS worker, or has an office job which can be done from home?

People need to think beyond their own worlds and try to imagine a world in which other people have been made depressed, homeless, and penniless purely by the response to Covid.

[GetOffYourHighHorse]

'However, I also know people who are now at rock bottom as a result of lockdown. When you say if people cared more about others, you presumably care more about the people who might catch Covid than you do about someone's teenager who has tried to take her own life as a direct result of lockdown and having no meaningful social contact or reason to get up?'

Full lockdown ended at the beginning of July. We can meet in groups of no more than 6! Pubs are open! It isn't solitary confinement.

I don't get why people cant see the evidence, Belgium have similar restrictions and cases have levelled off. France and Spain haven't and deaths are increasing. Surely, surely people can stagger meeting people and keep it to 6.

[AgeLikeWine]

No.

As an asthmatic, I have been ultra-cautious since before the first lockdown and that isn’t going to change until this nightmare is over.

[etopp]

@LouiseNW

etopp

LouiseNW
Celestine70

No, sick to death of the stupid rules.....”

Unfortunate choice of words. Really hope you aren’t.”

Not nit-picking there, are you?

No, etopp, I’m not nit-picking. Speaking from experience, unfortunately.

Please, just take this bastard thing seriously, you and all of the naysayers.

Study of 150,000 by Imperial sets reproduction rate at 1.7 now. Cases are doubling every 7 days. Increased deaths will follow in the next 2-5 weeks (the average fatality takes 5 weeks) as the infection spreads from its current young, healthy hosts to their older relatives.

This was all entirely predictable and could have been avoided if people cared more about others.

Louise

Yes, I know people who have died of/with Covid.

The person I love most apart from my children is having chemo and I haven't seen her for six months.

However, I also know people who are now at rock bottom as a result of lockdown. When you say if people cared more about others, you presumably care more about the people who might catch Covid than you do about someone's teenager who has tried to take her own life as a direct result of lockdown and having no meaningful social contact or reason to get up?

You'd presumably be glad she has an ASD and so stuck especially rigidly to the rules, though.

There is more than one way to "care about others", so do bear this in mind before you tell other people to do so.

[LouiseNW]

It’s against our civil liberties, apparently 🤷‍♀️

[GetOffYourHighHorse]

'Cases are doubling every 7 days. Increased deaths will follow in the next 2-5 weeks (the average fatality takes 5 weeks) as the infection spreads from its current young, healthy hosts to their older relatives. This was all entirely predictable and could have been avoided if people cared more about others.'

Its weird isn't it. Some people insist on bleating on 'oh but no one is dying!'. Yet.

I've no idea why people can't just wear masks and socially distance. It's not hard. We'll be in full lockdown by Nov at this rate.

[LouiseNW]

etopp

LouiseNW
Celestine70

No, sick to death of the stupid rules.....”

Unfortunate choice of words. Really hope you aren’t.”

Not nit-picking there, are you?

No, etopp, I’m not nit-picking. Speaking from experience, unfortunately.

Please, just take this bastard thing seriously, you and all of the naysayers.

Study of 150,000 by Imperial sets reproduction rate at 1.7 now. Cases are doubling every 7 days. Increased deaths will follow in the next 2-5 weeks (the average fatality takes 5 weeks) as the infection spreads from its current young, healthy hosts to their older relatives.

This was all entirely predictable and could have been avoided if people cared more about others.

[Aridane]

I don't support our lock down laws but I follow them

Exactly, @Xenia - as it should be

[Carriecakes80]

It makes no bloody sense ffs....me and mine are still following the rules from before, we saw nothing had really changed, so we kept it going, my 23 yr old son hasn't seen his girlfriend since february because she works in a care home and has had the virus, and he was scared he would bring it home to us.
But to say schools are ok, pubs are ok, sports is ok, you can't have an outdoor funeral gathering at my local church of more than 15 however if I want to go to a service with the place packed at the same Church, thats ok! HOW????

This gvt makes it up as they go along...they have no clue, they opened up too soon, and they don't give a flying toss who gets ill as long as the coffers are being filled by the plebs.