Will the new law on social gatherings make you reconsider your activities?

[Redolent]

Yes or no?

@tornadoalley

Pisses me off from some of the 'No' responses here that we are not learning the lessons from the start of the pandemic.

Government didn't pay attention to what was happening in Europe and were late to take action. Huge death total.

Now they are paying attention to what's happening in Europe and taking measures, and people are refusing to comply.

Makes me despair at the stupidity.

I know. It’s not like we are forbidden to leave homes 24/7. Six people is more than enough. Larger families don’t have to do everything together.

It’s not just the vulnerable, what about the healthy people who died or the many with long term Covid affecting hearts/lungs etc.

Maybe the government need to collate other figures daily to get the message across so as well as cases/deaths, the numbers of schools affected, care homes affected, icu and other hospital count and the current number with long term Covid. Maybe then some people might start to care more about others and not just themselves.

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Sorry @ChanceChanceChance @Tmarsh123, I completely missed the very key point that you meant siblings of the positive child rather than siblings of other children who’d been sent home. That’s outrageous.

@MarcelineMissouri

Sorry *@ChanceChanceChance* *@Tmarsh123*, I completely missed the very key point that you meant siblings of the positive child rather than siblings of other children who’d been sent home. That’s outrageous.

Outrageous indeed! Don't worry about misreading, I had to double-check a few times as I wasn't certain after you'd said - because it is ridiculous!!

@hoping4onlychild But we are not under lockdown now! We have plenty of freedoms just some restrictions, like masks and no large social gatherings.

In the week I've met up with family and friends, took a child to a large indoor attraction, had lunch in the cafe, went to the beach, gone shopping for food and clothes, been ice skating and chatted to neighbours.

I don't want to lose all the above because people don't stick to the rules and we get a second wave.

Masks worn. Socially distanced and plenty of hand washing and gelling. No big deal.

I've not been to watch football or horse racing, but I can cope with that.

there was a poster who used to parrot 'lives over the economy' and now she says enough is enough. She isn't the only one.

Lives and the economy are inextricably linked though, you can't just separate them.

Imagine the death rate in your area increasing and seeing pictures of refrigerated lorries outside hospitals to provide temporary morgue.

Now imagine how many of your neighbours will feel like going out for lunch, or to browse round the shops, or go out and socialise? Many shops or restaurants won't be busy enough to warrant opening.

How many employers will be willing to risk a future accusation that they risked staff lives making them work - will your local authority be willing to send staff out to empty bins?

You cannot separate lives and the economy - to have a functioning economy (let alone a thriving one) needs people to feel safe going around spending money.

A bad economy kills people too and the state has had to weigh up form day one the non covid excess deaths too however. It is not simple. I would prefer to move to a voluntary basis for all measures as I have wanted from day 1.

@tornadoalley

Pisses me off from some of the 'No' responses here that we are not learning the lessons from the start of the pandemic.

Government didn't pay attention to what was happening in Europe and were late to take action. Huge death total.

Now they are paying attention to what's happening in Europe and taking measures, and people are refusing to comply.

Makes me despair at the stupidity.

They should certainly learn lessons from Europe. The Salzburg Festival went ahead with 78,000 people attendees. There has not been one single case of Covid linked to it.

But our philistine government is floundering around, somehow thinking that orchestras are death traps, while people are becoming ever more restive (people in real life, that is: Mumsnet is an echo-chamber of Covid paranoia all of its own).

@tornadoalley
Yes, I completely agree. We have plenty of freedoms now & as compared with many other developed countries, we had a much looser lockdown ( & higher infection/ death rates - go figure).

@Xenia

Typically, public health policy doesn't work very well if it is completely voluntary. Even with mandatory policy, there will often be those who do not comply or have medical exemptions, so the more people adhering to the rules will obviously lessen the impact of those who can't (or won't). comply.

@Cantata

Interestingly, with the Salzburg festival, they tested performers before EVERY performance ( had SD, no intervals, reception areas etc) which certainly made an impact. The UK is struggling to keep up with the basic daily demand, so testing every performer wouldn't be possible unfortunately.

It makes no bloody sense ffs....me and mine are still following the rules from before, we saw nothing had really changed, so we kept it going, my 23 yr old son hasn't seen his girlfriend since february because she works in a care home and has had the virus, and he was scared he would bring it home to us.
But to say schools are ok, pubs are ok, sports is ok, you can't have an outdoor funeral gathering at my local church of more than 15 however if I want to go to a service with the place packed at the same Church, thats ok! HOW????

This gvt makes it up as they go along...they have no clue, they opened up too soon, and they don't give a flying toss who gets ill as long as the coffers are being filled by the plebs.

I don't support our lock down laws but I follow them

Exactly, @Xenia - as it should be

etopp

LouiseNW
Celestine70

No, sick to death of the stupid rules.....”

Unfortunate choice of words. Really hope you aren’t.”

Not nit-picking there, are you?

No, etopp, I’m not nit-picking. Speaking from experience, unfortunately.

Please, just take this bastard thing seriously, you and all of the naysayers.

Study of 150,000 by Imperial sets reproduction rate at 1.7 now. Cases are doubling every 7 days. Increased deaths will follow in the next 2-5 weeks (the average fatality takes 5 weeks) as the infection spreads from its current young, healthy hosts to their older relatives.

This was all entirely predictable and could have been avoided if people cared more about others.

'Cases are doubling every 7 days. Increased deaths will follow in the next 2-5 weeks (the average fatality takes 5 weeks) as the infection spreads from its current young, healthy hosts to their older relatives. This was all entirely predictable and could have been avoided if people cared more about others.'

Its weird isn't it. Some people insist on bleating on 'oh but no one is dying!'. Yet.

I've no idea why people can't just wear masks and socially distance. It's not hard. We'll be in full lockdown by Nov at this rate.

It’s against our civil liberties, apparently 🤷‍♀️

@LouiseNW

etopp

LouiseNW
Celestine70

No, sick to death of the stupid rules.....”

Unfortunate choice of words. Really hope you aren’t.”

Not nit-picking there, are you?

No, etopp, I’m not nit-picking. Speaking from experience, unfortunately.

Please, just take this bastard thing seriously, you and all of the naysayers.

Study of 150,000 by Imperial sets reproduction rate at 1.7 now. Cases are doubling every 7 days. Increased deaths will follow in the next 2-5 weeks (the average fatality takes 5 weeks) as the infection spreads from its current young, healthy hosts to their older relatives.

This was all entirely predictable and could have been avoided if people cared more about others.

Louise

Yes, I know people who have died of/with Covid.

The person I love most apart from my children is having chemo and I haven't seen her for six months.

However, I also know people who are now at rock bottom as a result of lockdown. When you say if people cared more about others, you presumably care more about the people who might catch Covid than you do about someone's teenager who has tried to take her own life as a direct result of lockdown and having no meaningful social contact or reason to get up?

You'd presumably be glad she has an ASD and so stuck especially rigidly to the rules, though.

There is more than one way to "care about others", so do bear this in mind before you tell other people to do so.

No.

As an asthmatic, I have been ultra-cautious since before the first lockdown and that isn’t going to change until this nightmare is over.

'However, I also know people who are now at rock bottom as a result of lockdown. When you say if people cared more about others, you presumably care more about the people who might catch Covid than you do about someone's teenager who has tried to take her own life as a direct result of lockdown and having no meaningful social contact or reason to get up?'

Full lockdown ended at the beginning of July. We can meet in groups of no more than 6! Pubs are open! It isn't solitary confinement.

I don't get why people cant see the evidence, Belgium have similar restrictions and cases have levelled off. France and Spain haven't and deaths are increasing. Surely, surely people can stagger meeting people and keep it to 6.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'However, I also know people who are now at rock bottom as a result of lockdown. When you say if people cared more about others, you presumably care more about the people who might catch Covid than you do about someone's teenager who has tried to take her own life as a direct result of lockdown and having no meaningful social contact or reason to get up?'

Full lockdown ended at the beginning of July. We can meet in groups of no more than 6! Pubs are open! It isn't solitary confinement.

I don't get why people cant see the evidence, Belgium have similar restrictions and cases have levelled off. France and Spain haven't and deaths are increasing. Surely, surely people can stagger meeting people and keep it to 6.

GetOff

Please tell me you didn't just say that.

If lockdown drove someone to try to take their own life, do you really, seriously think they are going to suddenly wake up at the beginning of July and say: "Oh goody, I don't need to be suicidally depressed any more, because full lockdown has now ended?"

Is this how you think mental health works?

And what of the people who still can't go to work, and who can't work from home, because of the sodding social distancing rules? Or is the assumption on Mumsnet that everyone is either a teacher, and NHS worker, or has an office job which can be done from home?

People need to think beyond their own worlds and try to imagine a world in which other people have been made depressed, homeless, and penniless purely by the response to Covid.

etopp

Not looking for an argument and, really, I’m very sorry indeed to read about about your friend because I had breast cancer 4 years ago, at the moment I’m well and I really hope he/she makes a good recovery.

I’m more frightened of Covid because it affects such a wide demographic. The assumption is that it’s elderly, frail people who succumb but that’s just not so. Even for those who recover, the long-term effects are still unknown but it doesn’t look good. I dont have boobs anymore but the rest of me is sound. The effects of what they are calling long-Covid are awful and affect so many different bodily functions. Every organ is pulled in and people are left shells of their former, sometimes very fit and healthy, selves.
I suppose the difference is, you can’t catch cancer or mental health conditions from a chance encounter. If everyone took great care, socially distanced, wore a loathed mask when necessary, kept their interactions to those that were strictly necessary rather than desirable, we would get on top of this.

Sadly, the same can’t be said for cancers and mental health conditions. The treatment of those will be neglected though - we can question the justification for that but it’s fact - until we get on top of this. Which is achievable if everyone who can does pull together a little more.

No. Can't trust what this government tells us they change their mind weekly along with the rules it's a full time job just trying to keep up with the latest shit they spout

No!!! 6 adults and two grandchildren under the age of two, my husband and I can decide what the risk is for our little bubble. Our DC are woking from home and following all the rules as we are, so we are very sadly prepared to break the law. I know not everyone will agree but that is how it is for us.

Schools all have staggered finishing times. They leave in their bubble

Ours doesn't. It wasn't workable to manage it as we have so many siblings, plus the juniors next door (separate school entirely) have lots of our siblings too. It just became impossible to plan for staggered starts that took everything into account and avoided lengthy waiting around for parents, increasing the number of adults milling around the area.

Instead the juniors went for staggered start and end and we went for flexible ones - so increased the drop off/collect windows by 10 minutes or so to encourage a natural flow in and out. It worked in week 1, but less so this week. We've introduced masks for drop off/pick up and reiterated only one adult per child for next week due to lack of social distancing at those times.

'People need to think beyond their own worlds and try to imagine a world in which other people have been made depressed, homeless, and penniless purely by the response to Covid.'

Oh come on, thousands have died and many more will. I know many people with mh issues or financial issues and I'm very sympathetic but there has to be restrictions in place to stop the spread. People whine on that the Government aren't doing anything then whine when they do.

If people don't stick to groups of no more than 6 (hardly the end of the world), then it will get worse.

I am shielding as much as I can, so not very much difference