End social distancing now - it’s time to get back to normal

[peasoup8]

Four deaths from coronavirus were recorded on 5th September - and yet the economy is on its knees, businesses are folding and my GP refuses to do face to face appointments because of the supposed risks posed by this “deadly” disease. Whilst I have every sympathy for the families of those who died, there are more people killed on Britain’s roads each day than there are from Covid.

People said there would be a massive spike in cases/deaths after the BLM protests and guess what - that failed to materialise. Central London was packed when I was there last weekend so nobody is taking the virus seriously anyway. AIBU to think it’s time we end this social distancing farce now and get back to normal, before more people lose their jobs and homes and the economy tanks still further?

You can buy a "ventilator" on Amazon but its just a small oxygen concentrator that apparently gives 1 to 5 L which of course could kill someone if given to the wrong kind of patient. WTF

And also, home ventilators do exist - non invasive ones.

As well as CPAP machines which Italy have evidenced reduces hospital admissions by half.

But none of you bothered to read the article because it's much more fun for you to pick arguments than actually have rational debates.

And CPAP machines are for home usage like they're used to treat sleep apnoea for example

Even now, having seen how the cases and death rate have increased so much in a couple of months, there is criticism from all sides of BJ over the lockdown.

That sounds a bit odd, let me reword to "criticism of BJ from all sides"

@boohooyoutoo

It absolutely sucks OP. I'm struggling to cope mentally.

I don't understand why vulnerable cannot shield.

I don't understand why they did eat out help out.

I don't understand why ventilators cannot be produced on mass for people to treat themselves at home if they get it - surely much cheaper than furlough?

I don't understand any of it.

I just don't fucking get it, I feel like we are being withheld information - none of it makes any sense to me.

I couldn’t get past the suggestion of ventilators at home

It seems you need to do some research and look at the way the virus is transmitted and treated to help you ‘to understand’.

Do you really think almost every other country in the world has got this wrong? We’re all doing this for nothing?

Unfortunately people like you are the reason the country is fighting a losing battle. Yes, the government have made some royal fuck ups but if people can’t take some responsibility for themselves, their families and the people they come into contact with we’ll be fighting this for a long time to come.

Awa. You forgot the blood gas analyser and portable xray machinw

@peasoup8

And now are you beginning to understand 'exponential growth'?

@boohooyoutoo. Honestly, just stop digging & do some learning. As you said, you clearly don't understand. TRY

Totally agree op

@Lightningrain

How exactly am I not taking responsibility?

I couldn’t get past the suggestion of ventilators at home

Not exactly sure what about this you can't get past?

www.bbc.com/news/health-52036948

@boohooyoutoo Yes, home “ventilators” are a thing (as I said, most of them are non-invasive so very similar to nebulisers and really meant for long term use) BUT, at risk of repeating myself, if someone who has COVID is sick enough to need continuous flow oxygen then they NEED to be in hospital as they might suddenly deteriorate and DIE. Understand?

@JeannieTheZebra they have been shown to reduce the need for hospital by 50%

!!!!!!!!!!!

So if people used them half as many would need a hospital

No, in Italy they’ve been trialling CPAP in a hospital setting... Unsupervised use of CPAP in people with COVID is irresponsible as the patient might suddenly deteriorate-you can’t tell which of the 50% will avoid further intervention.

[quote boohooyoutoo]I couldn’t get past the suggestion of ventilators at home

Not exactly sure what about this you can't get past?

www.bbc.com/news/health-52036948[/quote]
Comprehension is not your strong suite....

"Patients are given medication to relax the respiratory muscles so their breathing can be fully regulated by the machine."

So let's have home ventilators and muscle relaxants for utterly non-medically trained people. What could go wrong?

@Pringlemonster

Totally agree op

Yet another of the robotic "I agree OP" posters who crop up time and time again in this thread and many others like it, who never engage with any of the counterarguments (or probably even read them) just post a 2 or 3 word response.

If we had "ended social distancing" at the time the OP suggested and "gone back to normal" as suggested, then daily deaths would be many times higher than they are now (a number already 100 times higher than on the day the OP was made) and the NHS would have been overwhelmed.

So is that something all the "I agree OP" and "well said OP" bots think should have happened?

So clearly everyone on this thread thinks thee current lockdown is the perfect solution.

Good luck to you if you think that.

And when your kids education suffers and we all have to work long past retirement and the economy becomes crippled, you'll have yourselves to thank for it.

[quote boohooyoutoo]@JeannieTheZebra they have been shown to reduce the need for hospital by 50%

!!!!!!!!!!!

So if people used them half as many would need a hospital [/quote]
You really need to get a grip on comprehension.

"Early reports from Lombardy in northern Italy suggest about 50% of patients given CPAP have avoided the need for full mechanical ventilation."

This DOES NOT MEAN that 50% doesn't need hospitalization.
And it DOESN'T SAY ventilators, it says CPAP (inferring: in hospital circumstances)

@TheSunIsStillShining you seem to have all the answers...

This thread is so amusing.

Sometimes I fool myself into thinking that people can't actually be so fucking stupid that they voted for Donald Trump - then I read threads like this and see that they are here too.

@boohooyoutoo

So clearly everyone on this thread thinks thee current lockdown is the perfect solution.

Good luck to you if you think that.

And when your kids education suffers and we all have to work long past retirement and the economy becomes crippled, you'll have yourselves to thank for it.

1. kids education is suffering. They are on/off.

Also: most kids will not suffer. Many have years ahead to catch up. Again: a bit of forward planning and thinking. And no blanket solutions. Targeted, specific solutions for specific problems.

1. most likely we will have had to work past our retirement without covid. you know: brexit. And demographics

1. economy will be crippled because the gov is totally incapable of thinking 2 steps ahead. And they don't give a shit about the economy or the people. They are busy lining their pockets and their friend's pocket.

No, this lockdown is worth nothing. It is not a lockdown. We would have needed a proper, targeted lockdown many weeks ago. We need to partially close schools.
As re: economy: there would be so many ways to make it better, if only there was a willingness to think.

And we would need clear and concise educational campaigns. Judging from MN people have no understanding of basic concepts like how viruses are transmitted, how the body works.

It seems more and more that education has been a waste for way too many people. We could have saved a lot of money by not making it mandatory for them to be in school for so long.

Yes, it’s a farce that is doing more harm than good. Most people appear to be ignoring the latest so-called lockdown and I know of plenty who are not using Track & Trace (not that it works), and are also carrying on as normal when they have what they believe to be a cold but can’t be sure. So, it seems more futile than ever to continue with this ludicrous lockdown.

Agree and regarding GP surgeries, mine doesn't even answer the phones anymore, if we need an appointment we have to go online and request an appointment they then get back to us within 4 hours. My child had a severe allergic respiratory reaction to something she ate in May and we are still waiting for the results, chased up but nothing, she has had 2 more allergic reactions since then all have resulted in A&E. My friends husband thought he was having a heart attack recently and got rushed to A&E where is was reprimanded by a nurse for going to A&E! Where else should he have gone?!

@Sb2012

It’s concerning when you read through this thread. From 4 deaths when this thread was started to over 400 today. Unfortunately yesterday there was a 39 year old who died of covid and he/she had no underlying conditions either.

I also keep seeing young patients with all kinds of worrying conditions (eg heart attacks, strokes, all the signs of COPD). These patients were all fit and healthy until this year. The almost certainty is this is long covid, despite some being asymptomatic earlier in the year, and this will has the potential to kill our economy more than anything else. Social distancing and avoiding this virus is so important.

There is such poor knowledge about covid that sooner or later we are going to have to live wth it as we do with flu etc. I had covid in April and in October I had no antibodies. Scientist projections are best guesses and there are many differences of opinion. We see Whitty and think that he must be telling us about 'the science' when clearly he may be completely wrong.
In the meantime, unemployment is going to be the highest it has ever been, young people are bearing the brunt of social distancing hardships and old people are living out their final years in loneliness and isolation from their loved ones. My mother is 78 and says she may as well be dead.
I live in London and there are 5 people in ITU in my nearest hospital. It's madness but if you dare to argue that, you are a granny killer. How easy it has been to get us all to blindly follow and to police the behaviour of others.