School half day once a week for deep clean...

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..and non teaching time for staff.
Are any other schools doing this? Just wondered if it is the norm?
We're also being charged for childcare for the afternoon if unable to pick up after lunch

What?? So all the teachers are expected to teach an hour extra every day for free? Man that sounds like an awful place to work.

At Bristol uni I heard they extended the working day to 8pm at no extra pay because of covid. Such is life at work.

Not happening here. Instead the caretaker comes in in the morning to do high risk areas, so door handles and things like that. There’s a Lunch time clean and then end of day clean. In between, the children are regularly washing hands and using the hand sanitiser stations. Teachers are regularly wiping down the tables.

If only all schools would copy this!

Not at our school, but a nearby school is doing that.

@PineappleUpsideDownCake

Sionnach its the one my child is at, not one I teach at so I dont know the terms. But I'm not impresssd.

Would be fine if it was extra curricular or exercise but its to "catch up" english and maths.

Yes it sounds very unfair on the children and teachers. My class were practically falling asleep at the end of day last week, they're so out of routine...tacking on an extra hour to the day would be cruel.

Reading the comments on the previous page about teacher workload, evidencing with pictures is eye opening (in a horrifying way). I teach in Ireland where the expectations are nowhere near as onerous - and we get on just fine!

No. School being deep cleaned outside hours.

notevenat20 says
There is very little or no marking in primary which must make a huge difference.

then has a go at teachers for denying her individual experience when they take issue with this. Nothing about this comment suggests individual experience, it is asserted as a generalised fact.

And trying to blame teachers for reading it correctly is just shitty.

@notevenat20

What?? So all the teachers are expected to teach an hour extra every day for free? Man that sounds like an awful place to work.

At Bristol uni I heard they extended the working day to 8pm at no extra pay because of covid. Such is life at work.

If someone wants to start a thread on increased workload/ hours in other workplace settings I'll happily contribute. But that sounds awful, yes.

notevenat20,: At Bristol uni I heard they extended the working day to 8pm at no extra pay because of covid. Such is life at work.

You "heard?"

There is very little or no marking in primary which must make a huge difference.
This is beyond nonsense.

I do suspect the workload is, on average, higher in secondary school. Is that not right?
No, it is NOT right.

You know, notevenat20, it really would be a good idea if you stopped making up bollocks and pronouncing it as fact. There are some people on here who will have so little knowledge that they will believe you and you are actually creating a lot of damage.
Please pack it in.

Workload at primary is definitely higher - the government's own workload survey shows this!

You know, notevenat20, it really would be a good idea if you stopped making up bollocks and pronouncing it as fact. There are some people on here who will have so little knowledge that they will believe you and you are actually creating a lot of damage.
Please pack it in.

Careful. It is true about Bristol uni. Why do you claim it is not?

It is also true that at DCs primary little or no marking was done (depending on the year).

I am happy that at other schools there is more marking and if it's true that on average primary teaching is more work than secondary that is something interesting I didn't know.

If you keep spouting obvious bollocks as fact, noteven, then people won't believe your assertions even if they are true.

if you keep spouting obvious bollocks as fact, noteven, then people won't believe your assertions even if they are true.

That's your choice. Just to be clear, what you are upset about is that I assumed that our experience of little or no marking in primary (Ofsted rating "good") was typical of other primaries in the country. You are telling me that it was very atypical. That's fine, if true.

Do you work at Bristol uni? If not, where does your assertion come from?

that is something interesting I didn't know So, you didn't "know" it, but thought you'd post it anyway. You're proving my point.

It is also true that at DCs primary little or no marking was done (depending on the year) So you're now conceding that it wasn't even the whole of the one school you have knowledge of? But nonetheless thought you'd state it as if all schools are the same.

Do you work at Bristol uni? If not, where does your assertion come from?

A friend who works there. This interaction has become overly hostile so I will bow out now.

I assumed

Exactly.

It is also true that at DCs primary little or no marking was done (depending on the year)

I very much doubt that unless it is an inadequate school ( perhaps it is? and that would explain why)
How do children make progress with no assessment of their learning and without correctly planned next steps to move their learning on.

Perhaps 'marking' does take place in a different form that you are not aware of noteven, there are a huge range of systems - child led/independent, verbal response or centralised marking systems which collate learning about each child which the teacher uses to inform the planning of detailed next steps.

In my wide experience, it is the teacher's understanding of the process of assessment, and planning for appropriate learning ( assessment cycle) combined with knowledge of the curriculum and child development that allows children to make progress, not a few comments and ticks in a child's book.

Oh right - overly hostile? You post inflammatory stuff, people call you on it, and you bow out with a passive aggressive farewell?

Fine. Have a nice day.

@notevenat20

Out of interest, do you not mark during lunch break? I never take off more time than it takes to eat lunch as it would just add work in the evening if I did.

I get twenty minutes for lunch. They will say it is 30, but as any teacher will tell you, classes dont blink and disappear at the start of lunch and theN reappear at the end. So you want me to mark through that... What am i then not doing? Peeing, eating or having a drink? Also, ‘morning break‘ is directed time and so only a break for the children. Staff can, and will be on duty.

There is very little or no marking in primary which must make a huge difference. And that is hilarious.

What gets me is the arrogance of people who think they know how schools work and what schools staff do, because they went to a couple of schools and had a child in a couple of schools. It’s just so bizarre.

Op, the afternoon finish will purely be financial. They dont need to employ another member of teaching staff to cover PPA. Maybe at the next election make schools funding your priority.

Those saying just start earlier clearly don't understand percentages.

And for the person who asked upthread, the state school year is 190 days for the children. And no, private schools do not have to do that many.

@notevenat20

I would never be so entitled to assume that I know better than people who are actually doing a job

I understand you want to protect your profession. But it doesn’t make sense to me to deny the real lived experience of children and parents. It is almost surreal to be told that despite knowing for a fact how much was marked, that in fact it was much more than that but I didn’t realise due to my lack of qualifications.

It is fair, on the other hand, to say that different primaries differ hugely in the amount of marking done and then to describe your experience of how much marking you did (as someone did in fact report). But to say that parents and children are not qualified to comment on their own experience is not right.

I am not dismissing the fact that there was not actual marking in your child's books. Did you speak to the teachers involved to ask about their marking, assessment and feedback policy? Assessment and appropriate feedback also takes a lot of time and is often far more beneficial than comments in book, unless they are correctly followed up.

@noblegiraffe

notevenat20 says There is very little or no marking in primary which must make a huge difference.

then has a go at teachers for denying her individual experience when they take issue with this. Nothing about this comment suggests individual experience, it is asserted as a generalised fact.

And trying to blame teachers for reading it correctly is just shitty.

And exactly this

@notevenat20. I have taught in both Primary and Secondary. The workload is higher in Primary. I say that as a former teacher of English. The marking is less than GCSE/A level and nearer that of KS3 classes. Plus, some subjects we assess do not have extended writing elements and are quicker to mark. However, there are other elements of the role in primary that are not part of the role of a secondary teacher or sixth form tutor. So more work but more variety.

A friend told you.
Yes.
Right.
OK.

@notevenat20

I won’t lie it’s took a lot of planning and moving things around but it’s starting to become routine.