Do people actually realise how few are dying from coronavirus now?

[Mrschickpeabody]

It’s all still doom and gloom on the news as normal regarding coronavirus. Loads about cases going up, local lockdowns, negativity regarding schools going back but nothing about the fact that hardly anyone is actually dying from coronavirus or being admitted to hospital. Can we not hear about positive things for once?

@Concerned7777

A positive story of any kind covid related does not fit in with the media narrative to create and feed the covid hysteria so many have bought into

And this.

Lots of people on MN are quite unhinged about the whole thing.

The NHS wasn't under unmanagable covid strain, but it's not really anything to be applauded as that was only because other treatments etc stopped. That isn't aimed at healthcare workers, many who have been flat out and all of who will have had to adapt to this and had no choice in what was suspended etc; but speaking about the NHS as a healthcare service it did cope. But only as action was taken. I do agree that some people are unable to rationally comprehend stats and risks and seem to think it's killing thousands every day, but similarly it seems pointless just rushing back to 'normal'. Most of the guidance seems reasonable now, but the fallout will be terrible. We haven't seen hardly any of the job losses we will see, people who have suffered with their health (physical and mental) since the suspension of services etc, but the situation is just a bit shit.

"A positive story of any kind covid related does not fit in with the media narrative to create and feed the covid hysteria so many have bought into

And this."

Many including almost all world leaders. ....

Remember how few cases there were at the beginning of March? Remember the hospitals in April and May? Remember what a nasty death this is? And that an awful lot of people have an 'underlying condition' that could be well under control until they catch covid?

Have a word with yourself OP.

It is so low and great. But I want to give schools the best chance to stay open so businesses open but SD seems ok.

I don't think anyone's trying to make out lots of people are dying here now which is great. Problem is the exponential growth and the time of year. You don't have time to say isn't this great.

Most of the people at highest risk, (and those caring for them) are STILL very wary, still avoiding crowds, still taking every possible precaution to avoid infection and stay safe. That's why covid hospitalisation and death rates are lower.

 Those lower rates  don't mean covid has gone away or is less  infectious  or less dangerous .

But if we don’t open up people with other diseases aren’t getting the treatment they need

Or the diagnoses

GPS are still online which discourages many elderly

Most are ‘waiting til it’s over’ to see a doctor

Waiting lists are huge because clinics are only half capacity due to distancing

These are lives that are being lost and put at risk to stop ‘potential’ covid infections which is wrong

Deaths per day are incredibly low and so are actual infection rates. Hospital admissions are falling day on day and only 300 people out of 55 million, 30 of those on ventilators.

My friend has had to close her business yet again. It’s bloody awful. Her local council fought to have it closed down again. 33 people out of 100,000. It’s just not making any sense now.

The news outlet need to quit it although for the first time today on the local news I seen how low the figures were per hundred thousand.

Hospital admissions don’t lie and it’s those we need to be watching not the infection rate.

@Vinoonasunnyday

But if we don’t open up people with other diseases aren’t getting the treatment they need

Or the diagnoses

GPS are still online which discourages many elderly

Most are ‘waiting til it’s over’ to see a doctor

Waiting lists are huge because clinics are only half capacity due to distancing

These are lives that are being lost and put at risk to stop ‘potential’ covid infections which is wrong

I had a video consultation. I needed to show the GP what I thought was impetigo. Dd 7 started acting ridiculous and wouldn’t show her face.

Bloody nightmare

@Redolent

The irony is that there are many people who are abiding by social distancing guidelines, who quarantine when they come from abroad, leave their details for track and trace etc, and somehow they get criticised by the likes of OP for being gullible and hysterical. When in fact, it's the cautious actions of those people that minimise transmissions and thereby reduce the risks undertaken by the more reckless amongst us.

Personally, I wouldn't claim to be socially distancing for purely altruistic reasons, but at the very least, the rule abiders don't deserve to be dished out with scorn. Do you really want everyone to behave like you, and to be ushered into a local lockdown as a result? Surely it's in your personal interest to tell others to be more cautious so that your actions have minimal consequences on the rate of transmission?

When the school year starts breaking down due to on and off quarantines, then maybe people will understand why the guidance is there.

When the semi-normality we've achieved goes tits up, I will only blame people who felt better than 'da roolz'.

Rates are low for a whole host of factors and the guidance is definitely among them. Can't we all just be happy about that AND understand the importance of efforts to stop the spread of this virus?

Much higher percentage with Covid and much more serious impacts. This is not just fatigue but recordable organ damage.

This can't be said with any certainty, it's only fairly recently we've started to connect some autoimmune and dysautonomia conditions with viral infections. Those conditions & post-viral syndrome are not 'just fatigue'.

But if we don’t open up people with other diseases aren’t getting the treatment they need

People are getting treatment and the aim is to be able to increase that rather getting bogged down in a second wave which would be disastrous for people needing treatment. Incredibly low rates need to be kept low as they could rise very quickly and probably will rise very quickly. Even if we left those people to die, we couldn't treat people with chemo and carry out non urgent ops with that going on.

@walksen what a stupid comment, you can see the percentage of unemployment. There isn’t a percentage figure for long term health issues from Covid, no official data, no data on age, health issues before they had Covid, if I have missed this information please provide a link, I would love to know what it is?

It has become and absolute farce.

When it first came about, we treated it with caution, correctly so.

Now we know that the fatality rates of the majority of people who catch it are minimal (less than seasonal Flu)

Project fear has people running for the hills. Would these people not get in a car if we had annual car crash fatalities published?

Do we disclose the number of daily deaths due to hear attacks, cancer, strokes with such vigor?

I think it is time we accept that it is not the indiscriminate killer that we were led to believe.

Before I get shot down, I am not a denier, I believe it exists, what I am questioning, is the risk it poses the majority of the population.

@CherryPavlova

You do realise most people aren't counted in figures as majority die after 28 days when their deaths are discounted?

What a load of old twaddle.

When they discounted deaths after 28 days the UK total fell from 45k to 40k. How exactly does that mean most people die after 28 days. Even if all those deaths were caused by Covid this doesn’t make sense. But we know they were not all Covid deaths.

eradication is not going to happen unless we get a vaccine

Interesting thread. What comparisons can we draw to Spanish flu? I read that back then, the second wave was worse than the first, then the following year, there was a much smaller third wave before dying out. And that was without modern medicine or vaccines. But then I also heard that the 1958 pandemic was related to Spanish flu.

Anyone using 'project fear' gets all their opinions discounted in my book - means they got their thinking from the likes of the brexit architects who are now responsible for the shitshow of our covid response

Hardly anyone is infected, that is why. We have very low rates at the moment compared to a few months ago, and compared to the predicted winter outbreak

This. 1000 odd cases a day isn't a lot, compared with the estimated 100,000 cases a day back in late March.

Have you not understood that some people who've not died from it, and indeed, had it "mildly" are now suffering appalling after-effects which will affect them till the end of their lives, which may possibly be unduly shortened as a result of having caught the virus? It's not "nothing". It's major. If you won't believe me, look at Rachel Clarke, @doctor_oxford on Twitter, to get real.

@CherryPavlova
if anyone dies in hospital, regardless of how many days after a test, it still goes down.
NHS England has a separate tally of deaths, it's typically 3/4 per day in England at the moment.

@CherryPavlova

You do realise most people aren't counted in figures as majority die after 28 days when their deaths are discounted?

Total Bollocks

When they discounted deaths after 28 days the UK total fell from 45k to 40k. How exactly does that mean most people die after 28 days. Even if all those deaths were caused by Covid this doesn’t make sense. But we know they were not all Covid deaths

When the ONS issued its stats for the end of March there were 5000 people one week who had flu And covid on their death certificates. Poor sods had no chance did they? But who knows whether it was flu or covid or both that carried them off?

Reuben your dd could have been equally ridiculous in the surgery face to face.

Couldn’t agree more OP.
Yet we are losing our freedoms and liberties due to this scamdemic.
The collateral damage from lockdown has yet to be seen.